Aderans

[FearTheLoss]

Look the reality is if you're above NW3 Histogen alone will not bring back your juvenile hairline...

Neither Histogen, Aderans nor Replicel will be able to do that...

Ppl will still undergo hair transplants...

These treatments will simply save the hair you have and cause a bit of regrowth...if you want a juvenile hairline, you will end up combining these cutting edge treatments with a transplant depending on how far your hair loss has progressed.

FUE, FUT, Gho, etc will continue to exist until Dr Lauster releases his hair multiplication which will be somewhere around 2020 if we're lucky

not to change the subject of this thread..but what do you know about the hair multiplication? if that came out everything else would pretty much be useless right? that would be as good as a cure?

[StinkySmurf]

Hey Desmond,

Do you know what Aderans has going in Europe or say Australia?

Does FDA approval give you EU / UK / Australia / Japan approval or will Aderans be starting over with a multi year trials in EMEA?

Thanks!

[StinkySmurf]

For example ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDPxa6dzzu8&feature=share&list=UUb6_EwKnsjEAHmX-3t920AA

Why bought this guy a hair transplant robot for his patients, when another individual of this team of a "hair stimulating complex" breakthrough claimed during a scientific meeting that their stuff is even able to grow hair in scar tissue??

So, am I pessimistic or realistic? Or am I simply just an idiot?

You bring up a good point, but you could be making the assumption Histogen fails and then letting your conclusion about ARTAS flow from it, but look at it the other way.

Lets assume Histogen works. What then? Well, I can already point to several ARTAS users that are making money like gang busters now so we know it makes sense for the HT doc as a business decision on it's own, but then lets say you have one of the next gen cures like Histogen or Aderans in hand and it can grow hair. Thats opens up whole new markets of hair transplant customers that are different from today's customers. They might not need as many grafts, but in any case, I wouldn't be surprised at all in the 2016 to 2021 timeframe if we see the companies with the cures moving most aggressively towards automation because these will already be the companies taking advantage of economies of scale.

And consider that this particular operation just hired a 3rd surgeon away form Bosley who sued them over it. They're not huge, but they're growing.

[Desmond84]

Look the reality is if you're above NW3 Histogen alone will not bring back your juvenile hairline...

Neither Histogen, Aderans nor Replicel will be able to do that...

Ppl will still undergo hair transplants...

These treatments will simply save the hair you have and cause a bit of regrowth...if you want a juvenile hairline, you will end up combining these cutting edge treatments with a transplant depending on how far your hair loss has progressed.

FUE, FUT, Gho, etc will continue to exist until Dr Lauster releases his hair multiplication which will be somewhere around 2020 if we're lucky

[534623]

The comments in italic that I posted are not mine. They're jarjarbinx I just thought they were so positive that it deserves to be posted on BTT

How about a good dosage/mix between being optimistic and also being realistic?
Just being too optimistic - the disappointment is mostly too big and can sometimes even have a destructive effect, if an individual is not prepared for any worst-case scenario.
Anyway - here is a dialoge between being rather irrational (jarjarbinx) and a good dosage/of being optimistic but also being REALISTIC (another user - not me):
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» I said new and better treatments will start hitting the market in months
» (bimatoprost) to 2 years. Experts said "less than 10 years" and I do
» believe that months to 2 years is "less than 10 years." So the
» experts are not contradicting what I'm saying. I'm saying within 2 years
» and they are saying within 10 years and 2 years is within 10 years.

Let's not start with self-obvious statements like "2 years are less than 10 years". The question is what usually happens around us with well-defined deadlines. You are probably aware that they are often missed or at best the products are delivered in the very end of the period. Why a vague deadline (10 years or so) for such a complex task, like safely multiplying hair and make it grow on a bare head, would not be missed?

» Experts don't want to sound overly optimistic. They're being needlessly
» over cautious.

Do not we hear the same thing for 10-15 years now, that the cure is 5 years away? And each new year the same thing all over again and still nothing? The experts are not needlessly cautious, they are realists.

» Why do you say this? The experts did NOT say that a cure will come in 10
» years; they said a cure will come WITHIN 10 years. That could mean
» tomorrow. Within 10 years means any amount of time inside of 10 years. The
» could mean months. It could mean a couple years. You don't have to take it
» all the way to the furthest possibility.

See my previous comments.

» Some of these new breakthrough treatments are going to be
» very good treatments. I can tell by their results so far.

And what is the evidence to support this opinion?

» I disagree. I think they have said that they are growing hair in all
» regions of the scalp.

If they succeeded growing new hair in completely bald skin, then the increase rate would be nearly infinite per cent. But it is not. It is a finite difference, meaning that there was already hair.

Look, I much want to believe but I don't see enough evidence.
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Exactly - where is the evidence?
... besides big numbers and lots of bold claims?

For example ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDPxa6dzzu8&feature=share&list=UUb6_EwKnsjEAHmX-3t920AA

Why bought this guy a hair transplant robot for his patients, when another individual of this team of a "hair stimulating complex" breakthrough claimed during a scientific meeting that their stuff is even able to grow hair in scar tissue??

So, am I pessimistic or realistic? Or am I simply just an idiot?

[BaldinLikeBaldwin]

that taking .25mg 2-3 times a week would be the best balance to keep your hair and avoid sides. Thoughts?

yes although there are no studies on lower doses and less frequent intake

I think it's a good idea to go by what your body tells you and if you feel "better" on 0.25 mg 2-3 per week I think that should get the same results hairwise

[BaldinLikeBaldwin]

Kiwi if you really wanna give it a shot and have had issues b4 try:

0.25mg EVERY 10 days for the first month, then

0.25mg EVERY 9 days for the second month, then

0.25mg EVERY 8 days for the third month, then

0.25mg EVERY 7 days for the fourth month, then

0.25mg EVERY 6 days for the fifth month.

Then just continue taking it every 6 days. This allows your body to produce some DHT between days 4-6 which should hopefully keep you mojo intact.

ATM, instead of every 4 days I'm trying every 6 days for the past 2 weeks see what happens. I'll keep you posted

I dont think it's a good idea to let your hormone levels fluctuate in this way

[baldnotbeautiful]

not to sidetrack this tread, but I spoke to a Dr. Cooley rep and she asked me if I took fin and I told her that I took 1mg everyday. She immediately stated that was way too much and that it only needs to be taken at max 3 days a week. She stated it stays in your system for 72hrs. She recommended M/W/F for an easy schedule to keep. Dr. Cooley has an exceptional reputation so I'm sure that this is what he has found in his research and passed along to his rep. But since a low amount of fin(.25mg) suppresses almost as much as a normal dose(1mg), it seems safe to assume that taking .25mg 2-3 times a week would be the best balance to keep your hair and avoid sides. Thoughts?

[Desmond84]

Me Too!

Hey Desmond, I hate to hold you to the fire, but wasn't it your comment or clinical trial link that previously put the completion time at April. Do you really think it will be February?

Uh dude its definitely April. The comments in italic that I posted are not mine. They're jarjarbinx I just thought they were so positive that it deserves to be posted on BTT

[Desmond84]

Desmond84 -- I'm tempted to try .25mg once per week.

HOWEVER as somebody that did experience side effects I'm really ****ing scared. Are you saying that once you got your mojo back you tried 0.25mg per week and havent experienced sides?

I want to keep my mojo forever!!!

Kiwi if you really wanna give it a shot and have had issues b4 try:

0.25mg EVERY 10 days for the first month, then

0.25mg EVERY 9 days for the second month, then

0.25mg EVERY 8 days for the third month, then

0.25mg EVERY 7 days for the fourth month, then

0.25mg EVERY 6 days for the fifth month.

Then just continue taking it every 6 days. This allows your body to produce some DHT between days 4-6 which should hopefully keep you mojo intact.

ATM, instead of every 4 days I'm trying every 6 days for the past 2 weeks see what happens. I'll keep you posted

[rdawg]

Agreed this is probably the biggest year ever in hairloss! The potential to know that 2 or even 3 new products will launch by the end of 2015(2016 at the latest)!

Histogen, Aderans and even Bim excite me alot! And we may find out if all them fully work this year(although Histogen/Aderans have both already shown that IMO!)

[StinkySmurf]

Also, like Jarjarbinx says, Histogen's showing very strong results and is due to be released in 2015 so Aderans is feeling the heat!

They'll be pushing to get their product on the market first big time!

Here's Jarjarbinx's comments:

"Aderans is in phase 2 right now and their phase 2 will be finished in February this year."

I love this guy...so positive

Me Too!

Hey Desmond, I hate to hold you to the fire, but wasn't it your comment or clinical trial link that previously put the completion time at April. Do you really think it will be February?

[Desmond84]

haha for sure, as in this case, it essentially guarentees a new product on the market within 2 years!

Any info you have on Bim's results? I swear they are very close to phase III as well.

I'd expect 2-3 companies to give us updates around Feb/march.

I know dude 2013 is the year we find out if there's a light at the end of this dark tunnel!

There are so many companies releasing major updates. We're talking:

- Histogen (Feb update re: final 12 month results)

- Aderans (April update re: Final Phase 2 results and Initiation of Phase 3)

- Replicel (November update re: Final 24 month results on Phase 1/2)

- Bimatoprost (Might be launched end of this year!)

- OC (June-July: Phase 2 trials start for baldness)

It's gonna be an epic year! I think the cutting edge section of BTT is gonna be going nuts

[Kiwi]

Wow so you're essentially telling me this could be released THIS YEAR if they fast track it?

obviously that would be europe I suppose, then by summer 2014 in NA.

wow we are close if this is true, Can't wait til we get another product to use! Just on Fin to transition me over.

Desmond84 -- I'm tempted to try .25mg once per week.

HOWEVER as somebody that did experience side effects I'm really ****ing scared. Are you saying that once you got your mojo back you tried 0.25mg per week and havent experienced sides?

I want to keep my mojo forever!!!

[Desmond84]

Also, like Jarjarbinx says, Histogen's showing very strong results and is due to be released in 2015 so Aderans is feeling the heat!

They'll be pushing to get their product on the market first big time!

Here's Jarjarbinx's comments:

"Aderans is in phase 2 right now and their phase 2 will be finished in February this year. We're talking about one month here. In their first study they got a 60% success rate and I'm sure they tweaked their treatment and so they will have a better success rate. I thought their pics looked good given the difficulty of reversing hair loss. At any rate, given that they have at least a 60% success rate that means they have a better mouse trap than what is already available. They don't want to sit on it forever. They know Histogen is coming up right behind them. I'm very confident that Aderans will go straight from phase 2 to phase 3 and their phase 3 will likely be one year long, but could be just 6 months long. We will find out in a month or two how long their phase 3 will be. I read that they are already screening for phase 3 patients/subjects. They are almost in phase 3 man. I don't care what people say about 10 years. Their phase 3 will start in a few months and it's not possible to drag phase 3 out for 10 years. Phase 3 will be 6 months to 1 year and that is all. Phase 3 is the last study unless they find a problem with their treatment. People likely say 10 years because they don't want to be accused of over-hyping their treatment."

I love this guy...so positive