3rd Procedure with Gho

[gc83uk]

Why? The HST technique IS based on splitting follicles - what else?

If he wouldn't split follicles - donor regrowth wouldn't happen.

Precisely this!

For some people this is hard to accept because they read that as a 2 hair graft is cut in half leaving 1 hair in the donor and putting 1 hair in the recipient. This is the easy bit to understand!

However I am not going to lie, I don't understand Iron Mans HST 3.0.
I understand the original longitudinal extraction of course, but what then? Are you longitudinally cutting again 50% exactly or transversely cutting?

And then implanting these two parts into the recipient, this last step is clear.

Changing the subject, I'm going to have to stop using Gho's Minox or use it every other day instead, having decided yet! Basically I'm breaking out in 100's of tiny spots all around my neck and up to my ear. It's calmed down tonight, so hopefully it'll be gone in a couple of days time, so I'll lay off the minox until maybe tuesday/wednesday. It could well be a coincidence, but I'll keep experimenting with maybe less sprays and less frequently. I'm desperate to keep these grafts so I've probably just gone overboard with it!

[534623]

Wouldn't this just provide ammunition for people to say that he is "just splitting follicles" though?

Why? The HST technique IS based on splitting follicles - what else?

If he wouldn't split follicles - donor regrowth wouldn't happen.

Sometimes guys confuse "follicle splitting" with "follicular unit splitting".
Dr. Gho splits every single follicle within a follicular unit in 1 step during the extracion part (see pic above).

Seriously - sometimes I wonder what for are all interviews, animation videos, pics etc etc ...

[c5000]

And THAT is the point for HST 3.0:
Why not cut the extracted part (C.) into 2 halves once again (=3 follicles from 1) for the recipient site?

Wouldn't this just provide ammunition for people to say that he is "just splitting follicles" though?

[534623]

When does the follicle actually get cut in half?
Does Gho do this at the incision or does he extract the whole follicle,
then cut in half, and insert the half back in its original place?

And THAT is the point for HST 3.0:
Why not cut the extracted part (C.) into 2 halves once again (=3 follicles from 1) for the recipient site?

[hellouser]

When does the follicle actually get cut in half? Does Gho do this at the incision or does he extract the whole follicle, then cut in half, and insert the half back in its original place?

[534623]

Are you 100% i've had stick and place or is it worth an email asking them to clarify do you think?

Maybe they combined (at least partially) the normal HST method (pre-making of some holes via prior small round tissue extractions) with the Stick & Place method - that's what I think when I view your new recipient photo...


Sure, email them and mention in the email ALL methods (HST/HSI/S&P), and simply ask, which of these 3 implantation methods they used, in fact, in your case.

Anyway - again ...
Here, for example, they use the graft injection method (HSI), with the usage of special syringes...

http://youtu.be/4L0rjxjFt-M

The HST grafts are simply injected into the skin, without prior making a hole in the skin. As you can see in the video, for every single graft, a new syringe is used, loaded with 1 graft and so on.
Sure, with this method, every graft angle, simply everything, can enable a very precise result – here is an after video …

http://youtu.be/e3c_AxLA68o

Stick & Place method

http://indonesia.hasci.com/id/hasil-luka-parut-dan-luka-bakar/file-regina-hee/

Stick & Place – simply means STICK & PLACE of HST grafts:
With this, the grafts are not injected with syringes, but there is also no need for pre-making holes (=no prior tissue extraction) in the skin. The doctor inserts the hook (in this case it's a kind of hook), while the technician places the graft in the skin opening. Both techniques, the HSI and the S&P methods are very labour-intensive methods. This is not so with the normal HST method.

[gc83uk]

Your absolutely correct Iron Man!

Gho has confused me so much with his terminology!

It's only when I heard him talking dutch "blah blah ...stick and place blah blah..." i knew I had heard that phrase from you in reference to the grafts you had placed in your scar.

I didn't think much of it, until your post just now.

In my first day consultation he said he was going to use the injection method, this is what confused me so much!

But the sound and feel of what they were doing in my recipient sounds exactly like the stick and place method you have described. Basically they make a hole and insert the hair. In fact I think they create say 4 or 5 holes at once and then place the grafts in these and so on and so on.

Sorry if I've misled anyone thinking I've had HSI.

However Gho also claimed that the procedure they did on me will take 2 to 3 times longer than the normal procedure.

Are you 100% i've had stick and place or is it worth an email asking them to clarify do you think?

[534623]

I thought there was only HST and HSI, stick n place is news to me

no info about S&P on HASCI website

Maybe because this method is not a new method?

Simply google "stick place method hair transplant" and you will find sufficient information about this method.

Which method works better than the other method?
The usage all the 3 different methods (HST/HSI/S&P) are "tissue-specific oriented" on one hand, targeted and purposeful on the other hand.

For example:
The graft INJECTION method (=HSI=Hair StemCells Injection) is NOT the ideal method for normal or soft skin/scalp tissue, because in this case, no tissue is removed (pre-made holes) before implantation of the grafts - as with the normal HST method. This can cause superficial curvatures and the skin surface can be "wavy", especially if the grafts are placed very close to each other, because due to the injection of a lot more (follicle)tissue into the skin, suddenly there is simply more tissue in a former normal FLAT skin.
Therefore, in future, the HSI method will be rather something for such cases, where there is already an adeqate density of hairs, to add even more density (more than 50 already existing grafts per cm&#178. This method is still experimental.

In gc's case, they used -without any doubts- the stick & place method and not the HSI method.

[Vox]

That's all. There is nothing complicated about these 3 different methods.

Indeed, the way you explained it there is nothing complicated. Thanks!

From the three methods, the injection seems to be the least invasive and perhaps the faster. Why not use only this? In other words, which are the advantages/disadvantages of the three methods?

[didi]

I thought there was only HST and HSI, stick n place is news to me

no info about S&P on HASCI website

[yeahyeahyeah]

And I'm not surprised ...

There is still a lot of confusion about the different techniques HSCI doctors use in the daily praxis:

1) HST = Hair StemCells Transplantation

2) HSI = Hair StemCells Injection

3) Stick & Place Method

Alle these 3 different methods have one thing in common:
The extraction method of HST grafts in the donor area is ALWAYS the same.

So just the kind of IMPLANTATION in the recipient areas is different - that's all.

1) HST as such: They make HOLES with a hollow tissue extraction needle in the recipient areas, prior of the implantation of the extracted grafts.

2) HSI: They simply inject the HST grafts with special designed syringes into the skin or scar tissue, of course, without prior making holes - therefore practically no bleeding involved at all, because the injected graft per se, acts immediately like a cork/plug in the skin thereafter.

3) Stick & Place: Stick & Place simply means "stick & place" of the extracted HST grafts. They use a special tool (looks like a hook), stick this tool/hook into the skin, leave this tool so long as needed in the skin, until the graft is properly placed into the created small hole.

That's all. There is nothing complicated about these 3 different methods.

Which is the best method?

[534623]

Well I am very happy first of all that it looks scarless and even more encouraged from your comment. If you get a chance to look please see how much regeneration has taken place and report back, that I would be very grateful of!

They RE-HARVESTED 12 regenerated grafts from the 2nd procedure in my observation area.

Now 2 questions remain:

- How many of the 12 re-harvested grafts regenerated once again;
- How many of ALL new extraction sites (~35) in the observation area regenerated;

[didi]

Cutting time down in half would be major improvement for HST and possibly a game changer

If regeneration occurs within a month then maybe, perhaps we dont need to wait 9 months or 1 year between procedures

There r only 2 ways to reduce time needed to reach final goal
-increase number of grafts per session
or
-reduce time period beetween procedures or combinaton of both


Bring on HST 3.0,

[534623]

I am confused.

And I'm not surprised ...

There is still a lot of confusion about the different techniques HSCI doctors use in the daily praxis:

1) HST = Hair StemCells Transplantation

2) HSI = Hair StemCells Injection

3) Stick & Place Method

Alle these 3 different methods have one thing in common:
The extraction method of HST grafts in the donor area is ALWAYS the same.

So just the kind of IMPLANTATION in the recipient areas is different - that's all.

1) HST as such: They make HOLES with a hollow tissue extraction needle in the recipient areas, prior of the implantation of the extracted grafts.

2) HSI: They simply inject the HST grafts with special designed syringes into the skin or scar tissue, of course, without prior making holes - therefore practically no bleeding involved at all, because the injected graft per se, acts immediately like a cork/plug in the skin thereafter.

3) Stick & Place: Stick & Place simply means "stick & place" of the extracted HST grafts. They use a special tool (looks like a hook), stick this tool/hook into the skin, leave this tool so long as needed in the skin, until the graft is properly placed into the created small hole.

That's all. There is nothing complicated about these 3 different methods.

[Vox]

HST is already a game-changer ...

Apologies for my ignorance but can someone explain the difference between HST and the hair stem cell injection? The hasci website says that with the injection the cells are injected directly into the skin without preparing holes. But in order to inject something, you need to cut the skin. Their description is obscure in my mind:


Faster healing: with HST, healing was already fast (1 to 2 days); with the injection method, there is essentially no recovery time in the restoration area because there are no wounds.


I don't see how it is possible to not have wounds at all and therefore no recovery time after breaching the skin. Also, in the description they imply that this is something already applied in practice although they explicitly say that it will come in the future. I am confused.