3rd Procedure with Gho

[534623]

Maybe, I think a scalp reduction might be the solution.

Sure, works also: try to imagine the high density of the 1mm hairs you can get, when Dr. Gho removes all the slick bald scalp tissue between your new implanted HST hairs, as soon as they have fully grown out (1mm).

[gc83uk]

I think clarence is right ...

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=102380&postcount=30

...at least, you can give it a try.

Maybe, I think a scalp reduction might be the solution. Or maybe I should just stop buzzing my hair everyday, perhaps that will allow my hair to grow?

[534623]

Iron Man I don't know what to do, all my hairs are 1mm. What do you recommend?

I think clarence is right ...

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=102380&postcount=30

...at least, you can give it a try.

[gc83uk]

Unfortunately - yes. Other patients confirm this too...

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpos...23&postcount=4

Iron Man I don't know what to do, all my hairs are 1mm. What do you recommend?

[534623]

"ALL the hairs in the treated donor area, as well as all the hairs in the recipient area don't grow longer anymore than just around 1 mm or so - forever. This is called length-growth-shock"

Is this true?

Unfortunately - yes. Other patients confirm this too...

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=102523&postcount=4

I mean, seriously, 1 mm hairs is FAR better than being slick bald - don't you think?

[gc83uk]

"ALL the hairs in the treated donor area, as well as all the hairs in the recipient area don't grow longer anymore than just around 1 mm or so - forever. This is called length-growth-shock"

Is this true?

Yes........

[maxhair]

"ALL the hairs in the treated donor area, as well as all the hairs in the recipient area don't grow longer anymore than just around 1 mm or so - forever. This is called length-growth-shock"

Is this true?

[534623]

However I'm only being cautiously optimistic, and am likely going to get a new hairline by Gho and then simply maintain with further procedures as I recede (I'm ready to spend $1xx,xxx for this if necessary).

That's the point:
On this planet (most people call it "earth"), there are LOTS of people who simply have the funds. These people also know, that having a lot of money doesn't bring them a BIG part of their hair back - at least, not without a BIG loss; because normal hair transplants are just a distribution of still existing scap hair, besides other "complications".

Dr. Gho has enough (and doubtlessly an increasing number) of such people. A 50 grafts "Test-Procedure" (aka "ultimative proof") takes him, of course, also a full day. The question for him is - 1) to proof what exactly and his biggest question is finally 2) for whom?

Surely not for the hardcore hair researcher community out there, because they know it works - at least, from a scientific point of view. So there remain just all the laymen out there - all those, who eventually consider to do it. But as long as there are so many guys out there who have sufficient funds and simply do it - who cares about the "non-believers"?

Sure, this scenario, as described in the last paragraph, wouldn't work very long (even the rich guys would cry), if there would be indeed something "fishy" - but definitely not 8 years.

[Kiwi]

200 hairs per square centimetre?! What are you on dude? Do you know how many hairs you'd need to fill an NW6 at 200hairs/cm2?? Do the math;

If my heads balding area is 14cm wide by 22cm long, it comes out to 308cm2. Now a lot of people have said that to go back to normal you'd need between 15,000-20,000 hairs to cover a NW6. Well; Let's take an average case; 17,000 / 308 = 55 hairs/cm2.

At 200hairs/cm2:

308 x 200 = 61,600.

Thats unheard of. The average density is around 60-80 hairs/cm2 and rarely over 100/cm2.

Your asking for hair FOUR TIMES the density. Are you insane? Your hair would be so thick, it would look unnatural and be a pain in the ass to wash and style.

Personally, I'd imagine anything below 50 starts to look a little glim (depending on hairstyle). Above 60 should be fine as its only slightly less than the average.

The also say that 10,000 hairs is normally enough to provide the illusion of a good cosmetic head of hair.

[hellouser]

Well I've kept the forelock area, so I have that higher density already, but I'm pretty sure Gho is not going to be able to achieve 200 hairs per cm2 (100 grafts per cm2) for anyone. It's the window peak areas where I'll need filling in.

A question back to you, can any transplant surgeon do 100 grafts per cm2 do you know? If so who? If not what is the current maximum that you know of? I've heard H&W can do 70cm2, but I haven't heard of more than that.

CPA is like form filling / purchase right? I spend a fortune in cpc mainly adwords. Nothing personal, but I don't want to go into specifics about what I do because it's so niche and I don't want to really disclose who I am, at least not yet. Maybe once I'm done.

Do you have anything booked with Gho? What's your situation?

200 hairs per square centimetre?! What are you on dude? Do you know how many hairs you'd need to fill an NW6 at 200hairs/cm2?? Do the math;

If my heads balding area is 14cm wide by 22cm long, it comes out to 308cm2. Now a lot of people have said that to go back to normal you'd need between 15,000-20,000 hairs to cover a NW6. Well; Let's take an average case; 17,000 / 308 = 55 hairs/cm2.

At 200hairs/cm2:

308 x 200 = 61,600.

Thats unheard of. The average density is around 60-80 hairs/cm2 and rarely over 100/cm2.

Your asking for hair FOUR TIMES the density. Are you insane? Your hair would be so thick, it would look unnatural and be a pain in the ass to wash and style.

Personally, I'd imagine anything below 50 starts to look a little glim (depending on hairstyle). Above 60 should be fine as its only slightly less than the average.

[JJJJrS]

OK another two donor photos after my 3rd HST, its 20 days since!

The first photo is the usual montitored area, hopefully the hair is slightly shorter than the day 8 picture for JJJJrS to analyse.

The second photo is more side on, there is also this same shot from day 3 earlier on in the thread I think!

Thanks gc. It would be perfect if it was a tiny bit shorter but it's definitely an improvement over the week 1 photo and the analysis shouldn't be too hard.

[gc83uk]

OK another two donor photos after my 3rd HST, its 20 days since!

The first photo is the usual montitored area, hopefully the hair is slightly shorter than the day 8 picture for JJJJrS to analyse.

The second photo is more side on, there is also this same shot from day 3 earlier on in the thread I think!

[534623]

... I'll simply opt for a world class hairline by H&W, Feriduni, or Rahal...

I have just posted a nice hairline-pic by Rahal in my previous post - I don't like this hairline.

[LMS]

Well I've kept the forelock area, so I have that higher density already, but I'm pretty sure Gho is not going to be able to achieve 200 hairs per cm2 (100 grafts per cm2) for anyone. It's the window peak areas where I'll need filling in.

A question back to you, can any transplant surgeon do 100 grafts per cm2 do you know? If so who? If not what is the current maximum that you know of? I've heard H&W can do 70cm2, but I haven't heard of more than that.

CPA is like form filling / purchase right? I spend a fortune in cpc mainly adwords. Nothing personal, but I don't want to go into specifics about what I do because it's so niche and I don't want to really disclose who I am, at least not yet. Maybe once I'm done.

Do you have anything booked with Gho? What's your situation?

I've only ever heard of similar figures with 70 grafts being near or at the upper echelon of density available.

I'm really hoping that Dr Gho would be able to get high densities, and it seems that he could with HSI and it only comes down to his desire to do so. Regardless, I am still going to be doing research and really narrow down my options as I approach August. I might end up getting a hairline done with another FUE surgeon and then simply use my remaining grafts to add coverage/density as I recede.

Currently I'm only 17 and I was born with a NW1.5 maybe 2 hairline and recently I've noticed some more recession so I'm definately NW2 now. I know that being a full blown NW6 is very likely for me as baldness runs in both my moms and dads side (although my dad somehow lucked out as has a full dense head of hair). So basically I need to cover my bases because the odds are I'll eventually be headed to a NW6.

I'm waiting till August to start more serious consultations because I'll be 18 by then and I don't want my family or anyone really knowing about this so at 18 I'll be able to actually go through with it and just say I'm going on a business trip or something. I'm also hoping that by August we'll have information from Phase 2 trials and thus a clearer idea of where Aderans/Histogen are headed. Because if I know that we'll have the ability to immunize follicles from DHT by 2015 or whatever then theres a good chance I'll simply opt for a world class hairline by H&W, Feriduni, or Rahal, and maintain for a year or two with RU (which I'm starting ASAP) and then get immunization. However I'm only being cautiously optimistic, and am likely going to get a new hairline by Gho and then simply maintain with further procedures as I recede (I'm ready to spend $1xx,xxx for this if necessary).

Sorry about high jacking this thread and rambling quite a bit haha. Basically, come August I'll actually post some pictures on here and discuss what my options are and where Aderans/Histogens/other cures are headed and what not. So in reality whatever hair transplant procedure whether with Dr Gho or someone else will be taking time hopefully sometime soon after August.

And yeah CPA can be sales but generally refers to lead generation (for example I generate leads for dating companies). No hard feelings for being secretive about what you do I know competition and how big of a bitch it can be lol.

Anyways thanks for extensively documenting your progress with Dr Gho it makes me more confident in my future hair transplant endeavors which I will inevitably have to undergo.

[534623]

A question back to you, can any transplant surgeon do 100 grafts per cm2 do you know? If so who? If not what is the current maximum that you know of? I've heard H&W can do 70cm2, but I haven't heard of more than that.

I'm not "you" - but here are some answers:

As you can see, in TEST environments and mechanically - it IS possible.
But for normal conditions, there are many obstacles involved:

In this pic (marco), you can see one of the worst-case-scenarios of "super-dense" hair transplants. I think that's the main reason why Dr. Gho doesn't try to play mother nature. The risk is simply too high.