3rd Procedure with Gho

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... and guess what:
This extraction site regenerated thick and strong TWO 2-hair grafts once again! Really unbelievable ... looks really like 'voodoo' ...

Voodoo?
Find it out yourself …

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=100286&postcount=124

(Number 12 is around 5-6 “hair-rows” above gc's birthmark)

So either gc is doing voodoo, or his digital camera is doing voodoo. I can only report what my eyes can see.

Anyway, according to #12, gc got within 9 month EIGHT (!) brand new hair follicles for his recipient area (without any loss) just from extraction site #12. Sure, provided that ALL 8 follicles regenerated also in his recipient area.
Furthermore, as you can see, the configuration of #12 is now somewhat different - seems difficult (at least risky) to extract them once again with such an FU configuration. ALL hair shafts emerge now out of 1 skin opening/pore.
And finally, after the 2nd HST (day 13), it was unclear what #12 actually is. According to day -1, it was and it is definitely once again an FU grouping of TWO 2-hair grafts - now transformed to an 4-hair FU (hair shafts just stick together).

[JJJJrS]

... and guess what:
This extraction site regenerated thick and strong TWO 2-hair grafts once again! Really unbelievable ... looks really like 'voodoo' ...

Very interesting stuff IM. I think this will be the most informative and complete case study yet. Looking forward to seeing your final analysis!

I don't want to hijack this thread, but you've mentioned your "HST 3.0" idea briefly. When you decide to officially present your idea, I'll ask some technical questions but for now, have you ever brought this up with Gho or anyone at HASCI? You said that you believe it is realistic, but how receptive do you think they will be to your idea?

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So far, I didn't analyze your day 8 photo. In other words, I didn't analyze THE "voodoo-photo" so far.

What's really "hefty" (besides other things) is extraction site #12 (cyan circle in the right corner below):
This is a regenerated TWO 2-hair graft (2nd HST) - now they extracted them again ...

... and guess what:
This extraction site regenerated thick and strong TWO 2-hair grafts once again! Really unbelievable ... looks really like 'voodoo' ...

[gc83uk]

GC

I know what you saying but dont you think that there was absolutale NO NEED to harvest 1 hair grafts if they were harvested indeed?

I understand if we are talking about hairline but we dont, its mid scalp area and every man has plenty of doubles, you have 1000s of double hair grafts in your donor

so they eiither harvested singles OR half of your doubles didnt grow as doubles..

if i were you Id be very concerned about the whole thing

Im not you and im still concerned


this could explain why there are reports of HST looking a bit thin

If your feeling up to it and have the time, then open up one of my recent pics and circle in red the doubles and singles in blue. This would be a good start. I'm away from home all this week and don't have the equipment to start editing photos.

I think it would only take about 20 or 30 mins to complete the task.

[didi]

GC

I know what you saying but dont you think that there was absolutale NO NEED to harvest 1 hair grafts if they were harvested indeed?

I understand if we are talking about hairline but we dont, its mid scalp area and every man has plenty of doubles, you have 1000s of double hair grafts in your donor

so they eiither harvested singles OR half of your doubles didnt grow as doubles..

if i were you Id be very concerned about the whole thing

Im not you and im still concerned


this could explain why there are reports of HST looking a bit thin

[gc83uk]

What happens when you take out a graft for HST from a point where there is a follicle producing only one hair ?Any chance to see regrowth there? Or we seek only multiple hair follicles for HST?

Yes of course. If you remove a 1 hair graft from the donor and place it in the recipient, there is an 85% chance that a 1 hair graft will grow from the donor area again.

Theoretically a 2 or 3 hair graft could grow from the donor area, even though it was only a 1 that was extracted, but I won't go into that.

[Vox]

Point is my donor has plenty of 1 hair grafts ...

What happens when you take out a graft for HST from a point where there is a follicle producing only one hair ?Any chance to see regrowth there? Or we seek only multiple hair follicles for HST?

[gc83uk]

Of course I'm not going to complain.

Look, why don't you take a close look at my donor area and randomly circle 50 grafts and see whether they are 1's, 2's or 3's. Come back with an answer and then do the same again in the recipient.

That would be very worthwhile!

Point is my donor has plenty of 1 hair grafts, but I'd still be interested to see your analysis. BTW I'm not taking the piss.

[didi]

If you have 2-hair grafts placed and only a single hair grew from each, that could mean one of three things:
1.Close to half of what grew in each follicular unit died from the process you had done. Or…
2.You are Asian and have typical Asian hair densities, which means that there are equal one and two-hair follicular units growing in your native hair. Or…
3.The doctors just divided the 2-hair grafts to make singles to increase the graft count.


So you are saying that in GCs case many 2 hair grafts simply died and that is the reason we see too many singles which were suppossed to be doubles..

it cought my attention, since GC had 2 very small sessions before last one consisting of 700 each, sure they wouldnt have any trouble finding 700 doubles in each procedure..ok if it was hairline where you need singles, but Gc didnt even touch hairline

Gc,

are you going to complain and maybe get free grafts or? I mean these procedures are so bloody expensive and they still screw you over

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Gc

looking at your hair growing from hst1 and hst2(previous page) it appears like you have many singles growing , ..i cant believe they couldnt find 700 doubles in your entire donor area and that way increase your denity by just being more smart and selective

he does small sessions plus harvests many singles

Who says they extract singles at all?
With the HST technique per se, to get 2 follicles from 1, the technique is not designed to extract single follicles. Because what is exactly is necessary iat all, to extract the HAIR STEM CELLS?
Just a few hours ago, is posted a pic of the James Bond/Gho interview. There is this part in detail explained, what makes this possible at all and what exactly is necessary, to get, for example, from a 2-hair graft the stem cells from both follicles. You can't do this with a single follicle. But this is the point you still don't understand, or you're unable to read. I don't know.

Anyway, concerning the singles in the recipient area:

What point of 1) 2) or 3) is it?

I would say, it's simply point 1). Period.

[didi]

Gc

looking at your hair growing from hst1 and hst2(previous page) it appears like you have many singles growing , ..i cant believe they couldnt find 700 doubles in your entire donor area and that way increase your denity by just being more smart and selective

he does small sessions plus harvests many singles when it can be avoided
i didnt count but it seems like you have about 1.5 hairs per folicular unit

i wonder if arashi and c5000 experienced the same, they need to shave their head to examine wht is growing

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However I am not going to lie, I don't understand Iron Mans HST 3.0.
I understand the original longitudinal extraction of course, but what then?

Correct. Basically, everything completely the same procedure (extraction part for donor regeneration), but after the extraction part,
the implantation part is "slightly modified" to get MORE hair follicles for the recipient site.

Below is just the short pre-explanation and just with 2 pics ...


The HST 3.0 version is definitely NOT unrealistic to accomplish. Sure, depending on someone's standpoint, knowledge and motivation = master Gho.
A more detailed explanation etc in a few weeks or so. Anyway, in the meanwhile, try to imagine what the HST 3.0 version would mean for you and in this field in general. So the point with HST 3.0 is all about, how we can get more hairs and FASTER onto your bald heads.

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Awesome, is that the day 8 picture?

No. It's your Day-3 photo. This is just an unlabled PRE-analysis pic.
If it would be a day 8 photo, we would know already how many of the "re-re-extraction" sites (cyan circles) regenerated (better "re-regenerated") again - besides the new extractions sites (blue circles).
So far, I didn't analyze your day 8 photo. In other words, I didn't analyze THE "voodoo-photo" so far.

What's really "hefty" (besides other things) is extraction site #12 (cyan circle in the right corner below):
This is a regenerated TWO 2-hair graft (2nd HST) - now they extracted them again ...

[gc83uk]

All the cyan (aqua) colored circles are the "re-reharvested" extraction sites - namely, extraction sites of the regenerated grafts from the 2nd procedure.
The green circles are the normal regrowth sites from the 2nd procedure and the blue circles are the new extractions sites (3rd HST). The red circles are the not regenerated sites from the 2nd procedure. In the left corner below is, as always, the extraction site #1 (green circle).

Awesome, is that the day 8 picture? I'll upload another tonight unless you think it's too early?

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They RE-HARVESTED 12 regenerated grafts from the 2nd procedure in my observation area.

Now 2 questions remain:

- How many of the 12 re-harvested grafts regenerated once again;
- How many of ALL new extraction sites (~35) in the observation area regenerated;

All the cyan (aqua) colored circles are the "re-reharvested" extraction sites - namely, extraction sites of the regenerated grafts from the 2nd procedure.
The green circles are the normal regrowth sites from the 2nd procedure and the blue circles are the new extractions sites (3rd HST). The red circles are the not regenerated sites from the 2nd procedure. In the left corner below is, as always, the extraction site #1 (green circle).