The Ironman Procedure

[Arashi]

It goes without saying that on my next visit i'll be paying close attention to everything!

Great. I know that, unlike Schweinhund, you're much more interested in the actual truth and not just Gho-postive fables only. Would love to hear how it goes !

[Arashi]

Ok, email sent, hopefully we'll have an answer by tomorrow !

[Arashi]

It goes without saying that on my next visit i'll be paying close attention to everything!

I have already emailed back to Deborah, but she hasn't responded yet, I guess that will come tomorrow.

Arashi, I haven't emailed Krystal because I don't know her, I considered it, but I felt uncomfortable doing that.

REGARDLESS of Iron Man not believing you, you owe it to the rest of us at least to email her back and dig some more on her last response to you. Would you be willing to do that? I suggest sending it off tonight because I would think tomorrow is the last working day before Christmas.

You don't actually owe us anything but you know what I mean

Sure. Schweinhund will say I doctored her response email but ok, you're right and I'll ask her right away.

[didi]

Id insist on checking the count of TOTAL extractions,

when she said 80 failed id ask her, 'can i have a look at counter pls'...

if she refuses then you know she lied for sure otherwise she 'd be happy to let you see it


BTW,why hasci counts failed extractions,

[gc83uk]

It goes without saying that on my next visit i'll be paying close attention to everything!

I have already emailed back to Deborah, but she hasn't responded yet, I guess that will come tomorrow.

Arashi, I haven't emailed Krystal because I don't know her, I considered it, but I felt uncomfortable doing that.

REGARDLESS of Iron Man not believing you, you owe it to the rest of us at least to email her back and dig some more on her last response to you. Would you be willing to do that? I suggest sending it off tonight because I would think tomorrow is the last working day before Christmas.

You don't actually owe us anything but you know what I mean

[c5000]

Can you guys see 'clickers', where do they hide them, thats the key

This was what I found weird... they have two pedals right next to each other.

the successful extractions clicker DIGITAL DISPLAY SCREEN is displayed proudly next to the petri dish... but the total number of holes clicker is nowhere to be seen, that was why I asked him, and that's when he seemed annoyed and fed me that nonsense number "80"

[c5000]

Yeah you do have a point. Although Schweinhund clearly is in a very weird, troubled mental state of mind, I don't think he was lying when he said that his extraction ratio was near 1:1 (though he probably exaggerated a bit and that's why he doesnt want to post the pictures). So from that aspect, his case would be of limited use. But still, it would be nice to just count it. But I guess you're right, we'd need to have photo's of somebody with a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio to analyse to find out if there are really SO many more holes than transplanted grafts ..

Hopefully my photos could be of use there to give a general idea of how much regeneration is taking place.

I really want to ask why they said only 80 failed extractions, but I don't want to annoy them to the point where they refuse to treat me as like I've said many times, I am overall very happy with my procedure.

I just wish there was more honesty... I really wish I'd just said at the time "look, I've been counting, and there have been a lot more than 80 unsuccessful extractions"

[didi]

Can you guys see 'clickers', where do they hide them, thats the key

[Arashi]

Can I just say something here?

I think some people are missing one of my points...

Every patient is DIFFERENT and every patient has a DIFFERENT number of failed extractions.

Iron_Mans extractions looked super neat and super clean straight after his procedure, which to me suggests his grafts came out VERY easily and he probably had very few failed extractions IF ANY.

This could be the case with gc83uk too... his seemed very neat also.

But for myself, I had A LOT of failed extractions, and my issue is NOT with regerneration, my issue is with the fact that I was lied to.

I've said all along that donor regeneration is just a bonus to me, as long as I don't get any scarring, I'd be happy.

But unfortunately I'm now worried about scarring as they made SO MANY holes and had to keep changing the depth, as apparrently some of the holes were too deep... I mean that doesn't sound good does it? I was under the impression that the reason there is no scarring on this procedrue is because they don't drill all that deep, is that correct?

Yeah you do have a point. Although Schweinhund clearly is in a very weird, troubled mental state of mind, I don't think he was lying when he said that his extraction ratio was near 1:1 (though he probably exaggerated a bit and that's why he doesnt want to post the pictures). So from that aspect, his case would be of limited use. But still, it would be nice to just count it. But I guess you're right, we'd need to have photo's of somebody with a 2:1 or 3:1 ratio to analyse to find out if there are really SO many more holes than transplanted grafts ..

[c5000]

Can I just say something here?

I think some people are missing one of my points...

Every patient is DIFFERENT and every patient has a DIFFERENT number of failed extractions.

Iron_Mans extractions looked super neat and super clean straight after his procedure, which to me suggests his grafts came out VERY easily and he probably had very few failed extractions IF ANY.

This could be the case with gc83uk too... his seemed very neat also.

But for myself, I had A LOT of failed extractions, and my issue is NOT with regerneration, my issue is with the fact that I was lied to.

I've said all along that donor regeneration is just a bonus to me, as long as I don't get any scarring, I'd be happy.

But unfortunately I'm now worried about scarring as they made SO MANY holes and had to keep changing the depth, as apparrently some of the holes were too deep... I mean that doesn't sound good does it? I was under the impression that the reason there is no scarring on this procedrue is because they don't drill all that deep, is that correct?

[Arashi]

Look, Schweinhund, if there's one thing that you're good at, it's at making good photo's. Your pictures are the highest quality by far and thus PERFECT for looking into this drills/extraction ratio issue. That's why I asked you to post pictures. That's all.

[Arashi]

What has her answer to do now with the number of your extraction holes?

Her answer (what was actually YOUR QUESTION for her??) was concerning the REGROWTH SPEED, and why you can sometimes see grafts regrowing ealier than others. THAT is what she told you. And that is - of course - true.

But you always talk now about this issue:
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» Arashi -
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» I saw your spat on the other site with Ironman, so am versed on this 2 to 1
» extraction to success ratio topic. With that said, if you got lets' say
» 1400 grafts in your recepient, are you telling me they made 2500-2800
» extractions in the back of your head? Did your donor look like it had that
» many extractions?

I think a little more than that, since the extraction ratio was a little worse. On the right side of my head, above my right ear, the extraction ratio was a LOT worse, probably around 20:3. BUT this was also the time when the assistant technician briefly took over, so I'm really not sure if it was just the spot and/or the technician. And also I'm not sure this ratio is much different with others. I do know that when the first technician started and the ratio was about 2:1, she did say that the grafts came out easily ...
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And now again, the really good question:
What the hell should someone in this thread, or any other forum, explain you??
Sorry, nobody in this thread or from any other forum was there in your operating room during your procedure. You will find your answers in MAASTRICHT, I guess.

Is here someone who agrees with my opinion?
Nobody?

Sorry man, but what is your question ?

[534623]

GC83UK has sent her an email, because you didn't believe me last them when I quoted her answer ...

What has her answer to do now with the number of your extraction holes?

Her answer (what was actually YOUR QUESTION for her??) was concerning the REGROWTH SPEED, and why you can sometimes see grafts regrowing ealier than others. THAT is what she told you. And that is - of course - true.

But you always talk now about this issue:
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» Arashi -
»
» I saw your spat on the other site with Ironman, so am versed on this 2 to 1
» extraction to success ratio topic. With that said, if you got lets' say
» 1400 grafts in your recepient, are you telling me they made 2500-2800
» extractions in the back of your head? Did your donor look like it had that
» many extractions?

I think a little more than that, since the extraction ratio was a little worse. On the right side of my head, above my right ear, the extraction ratio was a LOT worse, probably around 20:3. BUT this was also the time when the assistant technician briefly took over, so I'm really not sure if it was just the spot and/or the technician. And also I'm not sure this ratio is much different with others. I do know that when the first technician started and the ratio was about 2:1, she did say that the grafts came out easily ...
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And now again, the really good question:
What the hell should someone in this thread, or any other forum, explain you??
Sorry, nobody in this thread or from any other forum was there in your operating room during your procedure. You will find your answers in MAASTRICHT, I guess.

Is here someone who agrees with my opinion?
Nobody?

And what the ****ing hell are you doing here in THIS thread at all?? Other guys like the thread starter want to know FROM ME about MY procedure and how it went - and not how it went for a drug addict from Holland.
What part of this, don't you understand?

[Arashi]

And seriously, unlike Schweinhund seems to think, for me this is not about who's right and who's wrong. I just want to get to the bottom of this and know the facts, that's all.

[Arashi]

1500 holes in donor area would not be too hard to count,

why not do that???

Because Schweinhund is too damn stubborn ? It beats me ... It's all I asked for: just post those damn pictures so we can actually COUNT. Then we'd know and we would all live happily ever after But no, instead Mr Schweinhund prefers to not post them so we can actually debate over this for 30 pages ...