The Ironman Procedure

[c5000]

ok, why there are 3 partitions in petri dish, does Gho make use of all 3 parts?

do we know if failed ext's are actually extracted or left in the scalp? My guess is they are not taken out,maybe thats why they call em 'failed extractions or unsuccessful ext's'

THey defintely don't extract the failed extractions... tehy DEFINTELY stay in the scalp... I counted drills to clicks and tweezes.

Perhaps some of the failed extractions are "borderline" so they extract them "just in case"

[didi]

ok, why there are 3 partitions in petri dish, does Gho make use of all 3 parts?

do we know if failed ext's are actually extracted or left in the scalp? My guess is they are not taken out,maybe thats why they call em 'failed extractions or unsuccessful ext's'

[Arashi]

And really, I'm not CLAIMING it all is like suggested before, just would like to see some clinical proof. And that's where Schweinhund actually COULD have been useful, if he wasn't too damn stubborn and just release some pictures of his ugly head.

[Arashi]

And yes, I'm overal happy too with my procedure. Just would like to know the true facts about regrowth, that's all.

[Arashi]

I could hear her mutter everytime she drilled as if she knew she'd made bad holes, she kept on fiddling with the drill depth even BEFORE she got to the point of tweezing.

Yep, EXACTLY the same in my case.

[c5000]

hmm i'm not sure about that. Don't you think they may need to extract them first to know if its a failed or successful extraction first?

I could hear her mutter everytime she drilled as if she knew she'd made bad holes, she kept on fiddling with the drill depth even BEFORE she got to the point of tweezing.

Gaz, IronMan, I'm not looking for an argument, I just deal on facts and what happened in MY case. There were a lot of failed extractions that simply weren't tweezed. Like I've said before, I'm really happy overall with the procedure, I just wish they'd be a bit more honest and forthcoming when questioned... Their patients spend a lot of money for their procedures, so you would think they could answer any questions a little more honestly.

To tell me that I'd only had 80 failed extractions was insulting, disrespectful and simply untrue.

Why would they lie? I don't understand that. It just makes me wonder if they have something to hide? I really like the results I've seen and I'm CONVINCED there IS REGENERATION of the donor, but I just don't get why I was lied to.

[Arashi]

Neither Schweinhund's case, nor gc's case or any OTHER personal HST case is concerning the regrowth part in the donor area -in general- completely irrelevant, because at the end, independent what someone's "ratio" has been, at the end, ALL different patient groups should get almost 100% regrowth again!

By the way imbeciel,
how is the weather today on your psychiatric planet?
How much “stuff” did smoke already today?

Anyway, what part exactly of table I on page 2 ..

http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/dad01225-0ceb-4a30-90c4-771ed900f25aHSI%20-%20Artikel_Gho%20Neumann.pdf

… you still don’t you understand?

Can't you see that every trail subject had a different "ratio"??
But at the end - how much regeneration did ALL patient's got?

Oops, I forgot – it’s not your intention to understand something at all. Because your intention is actually – yeah, hmmm, what exactly was it?
Sorry, I forgot this too. But maybe here you will find someone, who found out, after reading your 140 useless posts, what you actually want. Ahhh, now I remember again:

Users here on this forum should tell you the exact percentage of your donor regeneration! Am I right? Right.

Damn, the stuff this guy is smoking must contain at least one of the many new designer drugs in the Netherlands, I heard so much about.

p.s - and NO, table I on page 2 is old stuff and has been discussed on hairsite at length since Gho's paper appeared almost 3 years ago.

It's all great and all, these papers, but I don't care about them, I just care what people experience during their surgery.

And re designer drugs, it were the germans during WW2 who massively injected themselves with Amfetamine's. Hitler shot 3 grams into his veins daily. Sometimes it makes me wonder if this didnt affect later generation of Germans ... hmmm...

[gc83uk]

Hi Gaz

I'm not sure they actually "extract" the "failed extractions" if you know what I mean? I think they leave them in the scalp. As there were say 50 holes made and every graft that was tweezed out was clicked in the "successful" clicker.

I'm almost positive they leave the unsuccessful extractions in the scalp

hmm i'm not sure about that. Don't you think they may need to extract them first to know if its a failed or successful extraction first?

[534623]

So, again, that's where Schweinhund's case would have been really interesting. But all he's interested in is making a video of his hairs growing I think ...

Neither Schweinhund's case, nor gc's case or any OTHER personal HST case is concerning the regrowth part in the donor area -in general- relevant, because at the end, independent what someone's "ratio" has been, at the end, ALL different patient groups should get almost 100% regrowth again!

By the way imbeciel,
how is the weather today on your psychiatric planet?
How much “stuff” did smoke already today?

Anyway, what part exactly of table I on page 2 ..

http://www.hasci.com/uploads/downloads/dad01225-0ceb-4a30-90c4-771ed900f25aHSI%20-%20Artikel_Gho%20Neumann.pdf

… you still don’t you understand?

Can't you see that every trail subject had a different "ratio"??
But at the end - how much regeneration did ALL patient's got?

Oops, I forgot – it’s not your intention to understand something at all. Because your intention is actually – yeah, hmmm, what exactly was it?
Sorry, I forgot this too. But maybe here you will find someone, who will find out, after reading your 140 useless posts, what you actually want. Ahhh, now I remember again:

Users here on this forum should tell you the exact percentage of your donor regeneration! Am I right? Right.

Damn, the stuff this guy is smoking must contain at least one of the many new designer drugs in the Netherlands, I heard so much about.

p.s - and NO, table I on page 2 is old stuff and has been discussed on hairsite at length since Gho's paper appeared almost 3 years ago.

[gc83uk]

back to basics,this is getting frustrating..as i said b4 the best way is to get someone to do 50 grafts test for 700 bucks...get 3 and 2s only...then simply monitor donor and receipient..its really simple...tht will prove everything,even spliting theory


im not happy tht they are not happy answering important questions,
why so many failed exts?

Didi, they refuse to do the 50 graft test now.

[Arashi]

How do we find out which tech at hasci is good?
On hasci website they have a list of all docs/tech but it says nothing about their level of experience, shame, would help so much

I'd just make sure ONLY technicians do the extraction and NOT assistants and/or office managers, since they obviously messed up with both my head and C5000's. It's great they have aspirations to become technicians but let them practice elsewhere (or at least, for example, do it for free when they are practicing).

[c5000]

Hi Gaz

I'm not sure they actually "extract" the "failed extractions" if you know what I mean? I think they leave them in the scalp. As there were say 50 holes made and every graft that was tweezed out was clicked in the "successful" clicker.

I'm almost positive they leave the unsuccessful extractions in the scalp

Meant to say, they made say 50 holes, but only 20 or so were tweezed and then clicked.

[didi]

How do we find out which tech at hasci is good?
On hasci website they have a list of all docs/tech but it says nothing about their level of experience, shame, would help so much

[Arashi]

Hi Gaz

I'm not sure they actually "extract" the "failed extractions" if you know what I mean? I think they leave them in the scalp. As there were say 50 holes made and every graft that was tweezed out was clicked in the "successful" clicker.

I'm almost positive they leave the unsuccessful extractions in the scalp

Yeah I know for SURE they did, since I could see some hairs sprouting back the next day (and Schweinhund, don't tell me they came out of a re-generated hair follicle, LOL). I didn't count these as regrowth, since it obviously was just hair cut of at the scalp level.

[c5000]

Did you take a peek at the petri dish? If so what do you remember seeing?

I must confess I didn't take much notice of the dish when I had mine, nor did I know at the time that the 3rd sector of the tray was for failed grafts.

I know this sounds like I'm making it up, but I would bet a large sum of money that the failed extraction section was empty on my last 2 procedures. I remember thinking to myself, these 3 compartments much be for 1 hair graft / 2 hair grafts and 3 hair grafts... I felt disappointed that I had no 3 hair grafts! This is a very vague memory though.

I'll definitely pay more attention on my next visit, I'm there in 3 weeks again.

So what would you like me to email to Kristel exactly? Type the email here as you want it and I'll send it.

Hi Gaz

I'm not sure they actually "extract" the "failed extractions" if you know what I mean? I think they leave them in the scalp. As there were say 50 holes made and every graft that was tweezed out was clicked in the "successful" clicker.

I'm almost positive they leave the unsuccessful extractions in the scalp