a second HST session in september

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  • Vox
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 298

    #76
    Originally posted by 534623
    The only way, to get what you "suggested", would/could be

    1) a kind of CONTRACT with the HSI; that means, you undersign a contract, for let's say at least 3 or 4 procedures to get the "benefit" of the lower price per graft.

    2) Another suggestion would be that as soon as you go for a 2nd, 3rd etc session (without any contract), you will simply get a better price per graft - or something.

    Anyway, unfortunately, all these suggestions are currently NOT the case (you have always to pay the current price per graft!) - at least to the best of my knowledge.
    This would be a reasonable approach for high NW patients that need many procedures. If the patient wanted so, the clinic should offer him a long term plan for hair restoration, under contract, at prices much better than the current pricing scheme lets you reckon. But as long as there is no serious competition, I am afraid that nothing will change.

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    • sausage
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 1063

      #77
      How much of the head does 1800 grafts cover?

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      • gc83uk
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2011
        • 1339

        #78
        Originally posted by sausage
        How much of the head does 1800 grafts cover?
        50cm2

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        • sausage
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2012
          • 1063

          #79
          Originally posted by gc83uk
          50cm2
          Don't u mean 5cm2?

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          • hellouser
            Senior Member
            • May 2012
            • 4419

            #80
            Originally posted by sausage
            Don't u mean 5cm2?
            I've never seen anyone pack 1,800 grafts into more or less a 2cm x 2cm area.

            50cm2 is correct.

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            • hellouser
              Senior Member
              • May 2012
              • 4419

              #81
              Originally posted by gc83uk
              50cm2
              Do you think its fair to assume that with an 1,800 graft procedure for an NW2/3, 25cm2 could be used on the hairline and the remaining 25cm2 used to fill in the temples to bring back down to NW1/2?

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              • TO YOUNG TO RETIRE
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 638

                #82
                depends on the graft breakdown hellouser,
                Originally posted by hellouser
                Do you think its fair to assume that with an 1,800 graft procedure for an NW2/3, 25cm2 could be used on the hairline and the remaining 25cm2 used to fill in the temples to bring back down to NW1/2?

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                • sausage
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 1063

                  #83
                  I got a reply from Deborah at HASCI....

                  In response to the queries I had on the whole 3000 graft mystery was....

                  To the amount they can extract per day:

                  "An average amount of grafts is between 1200 and 1400 if your donor is healthy. Sometimes we are able to extract more grafts (1400-1600)."

                  So there website has false information on it, they struggle to even do 1600 grafts a day.......that is 1400 off the 3000 they state they can do!!!! True they may have done 3000 grafts before but who knows, if they did the person probably had a truly massive head or they were working fast that day.

                  Also the price is supposed to get much cheaper once you have had 1800 grafts but how can you take advantage of the lower price when they only do up to 1600 grafts a day PLUS Deborah has also said:

                  "The price for that treatment is 8.700 euro. If you need or want a second treatment, The price will be 8.700 euro again."

                  So basically once one treatment is up (a days work) the whole pricing structure resets, so there is basically ZERO CHANCE of ever getting grafts for the £2.25 they offer.

                  This is pretty clear to me, but I have asked her to clarify this. So I will wait for a reply to see if it is possible, somehow, to attain grafts for £2.25.

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                  • hellouser
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2012
                    • 4419

                    #84
                    Gho's pricing is pretty terrible, there's no way to refute that.

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                    • sausage
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 1063

                      #85
                      Originally posted by hellouser
                      Gho's pricing is pretty terrible, there's no way to refute that.
                      yes, it is ridiculously expensive and misleading. Still, don't get me wrong I am still interested in getting something done but being a NW6 and only being able to get 50cm2 coverage a year sucks balls....

                      May have to consider getting a hairline done at Gho and then SMP the rest, although I am not keen on SMP.


                      My maths is ridiculously poor but I think a square foot of hair from Dr Gho costs £161,646. Compare that to a property in Mayfair, London which is £2,500 per square foot. You could get 64 square foot of property in one of the richest parts of London for a square foot of Gho hair.

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                      • hellouser
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2012
                        • 4419

                        #86
                        Originally posted by sausage
                        yes, it is ridiculously expensive and misleading. Still, don't get me wrong I am still interested in getting something done but being a NW6 and only being able to get 50cm2 coverage a year sucks balls....

                        May have to consider getting a hairline done at Gho and then SMP the rest, although I am not keen on SMP.


                        My maths is ridiculously poor but I think a square foot of hair from Dr Gho costs £161,646. Compare that to a property in Mayfair, London which is £2,500 per square foot. You could get 64 square foot of property in one of the richest parts of London for a square foot of Gho hair.

                        64sq feet is more than what a homeless bum has.

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                        • gc83uk
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2011
                          • 1339

                          #87
                          Originally posted by sausage
                          I got a reply from Deborah at HASCI....

                          In response to the queries I had on the whole 3000 graft mystery was....

                          To the amount they can extract per day:

                          "An average amount of grafts is between 1200 and 1400 if your donor is healthy. Sometimes we are able to extract more grafts (1400-1600)."

                          So there website has false information on it, they struggle to even do 1600 grafts a day.......that is 1400 off the 3000 they state they can do!!!! True they may have done 3000 grafts before but who knows, if they did the person probably had a truly massive head or they were working fast that day.

                          Also the price is supposed to get much cheaper once you have had 1800 grafts but how can you take advantage of the lower price when they only do up to 1600 grafts a day PLUS Deborah has also said:

                          "The price for that treatment is 8.700 euro. If you need or want a second treatment, The price will be 8.700 euro again."

                          So basically once one treatment is up (a days work) the whole pricing structure resets, so there is basically ZERO CHANCE of ever getting grafts for the £2.25 they offer.

                          This is pretty clear to me, but I have asked her to clarify this. So I will wait for a reply to see if it is possible, somehow, to attain grafts for £2.25.
                          There was somebody on this forum that had 1800. Can't remember who.

                          I agree with everything you've said there, seems very unlikely that 3000 grafts is possible unless they had a huge team working on your head, with great donor and large head.

                          I suspect they are more equipped to do bigger procedures in the Netherlands rather than London. They only bring over 2 tech and 1 Dr: Gho/Deborah. They also arrive Monday morning around 9/10am direct from Holland, so half the morning is lost! And leave to go back on Tuesday evening, so no late night sessions.

                          Sometimes they do Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday in London, so obviously Tuesday would be the optimal day to maximise the time available to get bigger sessions.

                          They don't tell you all this of course, but it makes sense Tuesday would be a better option for London or just go to Maastricht or Amsterdam.

                          I reckon you could cut a deal with them and ask them to do a procedure over 2 days. This is how I do it. I have a rare skin condition so I only have 700 grafts per day, 2 days 1400.... (I have negotiated a slight reduction in light of this). See what she comes back with on her next email and go from there!

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                          • sausage
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1063

                            #88
                            Originally posted by gc83uk
                            There was somebody on this forum that had 1800. Can't remember who.

                            I agree with everything you've said there, seems very unlikely that 3000 grafts is possible unless they had a huge team working on your head, with great donor and large head.

                            I suspect they are more equipped to do bigger procedures in the Netherlands rather than London. They only bring over 2 tech and 1 Dr: Gho/Deborah. They also arrive Monday morning around 9/10am direct from Holland, so half the morning is lost! And leave to go back on Tuesday evening, so no late night sessions.

                            Sometimes they do Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday in London, so obviously Tuesday would be the optimal day to maximise the time available to get bigger sessions.

                            They don't tell you all this of course, but it makes sense Tuesday would be a better option for London or just go to Maastricht or Amsterdam.

                            I reckon you could cut a deal with them and ask them to do a procedure over 2 days. This is how I do it. I have a rare skin condition so I only have 700 grafts per day, 2 days 1400.... (I have negotiated a slight reduction in light of this). See what she comes back with on her next email and go from there!
                            Cheers, that information could be helpful. Thanks.

                            I did ask about both about London and Holland to see which clinics had the quickest available slot.

                            I did not realise they are based in Holland and travel to London, I thought they were 3 independently run clinics, part of a chain if you like.

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                            • sausage
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 1063

                              #89
                              I have had another response from Deborah...

                              She says that the most they have done in a day is just over 3000 grafts, I'll take her word for it, although when they say average is 1200-1400 so I don't know what happend differently that day they did 3000+.

                              Anyway the annoying thing about this is that virtually no1 will be getting grafts for the £2.25 price, even if they do get over 1800 grafts, they probably won't get much more and won't reep much reward for doing so.

                              It sucks that we can't take advantage of the lower price to counter balance the high cost of the first 1800, so it is going to be bloody expensive.

                              I am in the process of getting a face to face consultation next month.....whether I go ahead with anything I have no idea. I am not particularly set on anything yet. I am also considering SMP, although I am not keen on it, but will research further.

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                              • didi
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2011
                                • 1360

                                #90
                                if you are NW6 then receiving 1400 hst grafts is like drop in the ocean,
                                it will take many years n you gonna need TONS of grafts especially 1 and 2 hair grafts, type HST gives you.


                                id wait for Pilofocus or dr nigams doubling,

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