a second HST session in september

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  • greatjob!
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 909

    Originally posted by caddarik79
    he said in his very official interview with spencer that two hairs taken from donor = two hairs in recipient and two hairs back in donor.

    But forum specialists contested that and none of them buys it!!!

    They also very officialy claim 80-85% regeneration, but again, here in the bald truth forum, they found out that it's less then 50


    :-)
    I'm not trying to stir up the debate again, since it has been beaten to death. I'm just trying to understand how, if he is getting 1hair for 1hair, the hair to graft ratio is so low in the recipient area. Is this because they are not able to transplant anything higher than 2 hair grafts? Like they are not able to move 3 hair grafts?

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    • Arashi
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2012
      • 3888

      Originally posted by greatjob!
      So from this information then Dr. Gho is not really getting true regeneration(ie. taking two follicles from the donor and putting two in the recipient while still leaving two follicles in the donor) he is just splitting hairs, right?
      No, that's not a valid conclusion. They just seem to transplant mainly single hair grafts. That doesn't necessarily have to mean that they just split grafts. We'll just have to wait until gc83uk is going to document his procedure, september this year. That will finally yield the data we're still looking for.

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      • Arashi
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2012
        • 3888

        Originally posted by greatjob!
        I'm not trying to stir up the debate again, since it has been beaten to death. I'm just trying to understand how, if he is getting 1hair for 1hair, the hair to graft ratio is so low in the recipient area. Is this because they are not able to transplant anything higher than 2 hair grafts? Like they are not able to move 3 hair grafts?
        They CAN transplant 3 hair grafts. In fact I do see a few in my own recipient and we saw a few in their 50 graft tests. But they mainly seem to do singles. Most probably because their needle size is so small.

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        • greatjob!
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 909

          Originally posted by Arashi
          No, that's not a valid conclusion. They just seem to transplant mainly single hair grafts. That doesn't necessarily have to mean that they just split grafts. We'll just have to wait until gc83uk is going to document his procedure, september this year. That will finally yield the data we're still looking for.
          The reason I make that conclusion is because I don't understand why a doctor would choose to only transplant single hair follicles when they can transplant multiple hair grafts, it doesn't make sense to me because multi-hair grafts= better/more hair. Maybe there is something I don't know about like you said needle size. I'm not trying to take digs at your or anyone else's procedure or Dr. Gho, I'm just trying to understand the logic behind moving less hair to the recipient area when you are capable of moving more.

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          • 534623
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2011
            • 1854

            Originally posted by greatjob!

            I'm just trying to understand the logic behind moving less hair to the recipient area when you are capable of moving more.
            Oh, that's a topic I like so much ...

            Anyway, let's try together to define "more"; for example:

            Did you notice that baldies very of mention (after having a consultation with a normal hair transplant doctor) and say "They told me that most of my FU's (follicular units) in my donor area are just singles."

            Generally speaking, the multi-FU story and/or the "more hair for your buck"-story, has always been nothing more than an overhyped story among HT clinics to fool layman. And even those patients who have indeed lots of multis in their donor area ...

            1) most of these multis are not even suitable for harvestation (follicles too far apart) - not even with normal FUE.

            2) multis are rather prone to become singles (again, because as a fetus, you start with SINGLES which just divide over time/after birth and become finally "FUs") anyhow over time (due to aging aka "senescent alopecia" etc);

            By the way ...


            1) Who has more follicles within his scalp? Daddy or junior?
            Both around the same amount of follicles?

            2) When in a natural way the head in general, as well as the SCALP size increases over time - where do the additional follicles/hairs come from to fill up the step-by-step increased scalp area?

            lol

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            • greatjob!
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 909

              Originally posted by 534623

              Did you notice that baldies very of mention (after having a consultation with a normal hair transplant doctor) and say "They told me that most of my FU's (follicular units) in my donor area are just singles."

              Generally speaking, the multi-FU story and/or the "more hair for your buck"-story, has always been nothing more than an overhyped story among HT clinics to fool layman.
              Everything you wrote here is pretty much false. Sure there are people with a low hair/fu ratio, but most people have more doubles/triple hairs than they do singles. I had a previous transplant and I had 578 singles, 1926 doubles, and 836 triples giving me a graft to hair ratio of 2.08 hairs/graft.

              They claim the average hair/fu ratio is around 2.5 hairs/fu, however I believe it is closer to 2 hairs/fu. If what you are saying that "most of my fu's in my donor area are just singles" was true than the hair/fu ratio would be very close to 1 hair/fu, which is what it seems to be with Dr. Gho's work. Which means he is primarily moving single hairs. So again I wonder why he is transplanting only singles if he can transplant multi hair fu's, since you cannot argue that more hairs gives more coverage.

              I'm not trying to argue, I'm just trying to understand why you would choose to transplant only singles if you could transplant doubles and triples that's all, so please don't take a rude or condescending tone like you usually do. If there is something I'm missing like the needles he uses are too small and he takes that trade off of moving less hair to ensure no scarring then I can understand that.

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              • 534623
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2011
                • 1854

                Originally posted by greatjob!
                Everything you wrote here is pretty much false. Sure there are people with a low hair/fu ratio, but most people have more doubles/triple hairs than they do singles. I had a previous transplant and I had 578 singles, 1926 doubles, and 836 triples giving me a graft to hair ratio of 2.08 hairs/graft.
                That's right - you had.

                Maybe guys HAD such ratios before having their 1st hair transplant. That means, how many doubles and triples will Dr. Gho now find in your donor area for harvestation?

                Strip? Oh, and who says that you indeed had so much REAL 2-hair FU's or so much REAL 3-hair FU's in your donor area??

                Let me guess - your strip doctor ...who simply made them on his chopping board to 2- and 3-hair grafts.

                If you don't understand what I mean - watch that video ...

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                • greatjob!
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 909

                  Originally posted by 534623
                  That's right - you had.

                  Maybe guys HAD such ratios before having their 1st hair transplant. That means, how many doubles and triples will Dr. Gho now find in your donor area for harvestation?

                  Strip? Oh, and who says that you indeed had so much REAL 2-hair FU's or so much REAL 3-hair FU's in your donor area??

                  Let me guess - your strip doctor ...who simply made them on his chopping board to 2- and 3-hair grafts.

                  If you don't understand what I mean - watch that video ...

                  http://youtu.be/2zZ8sOYjroo
                  I know because I saw the grafts under the microscope, and the results I have achieved would not have been possible with all single hairs.

                  How does removing a strip of scalp magically transform the remaining multi hair fu's to singles? The graft ratio was from the strip removed, not my entire head. If Dr. Gho examines my head he will find the same ratio as my strip throughout the rest of my donor.

                  I'm confused are you disputing the fact that hair naturally grows in 1,2,3,4 hair groupings and saying the only way to transplant multi hair fu's is to combine singles?

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                  • didi
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 1360



                    'In human scalp, the majority of the hair emerges as
                    2-hair follicular units. The second most common unit
                    is the 3-hair unit. Only in individuals with very low
                    hair density (with severe male pattern baldness) are
                    the 1-hair units more abundant than the 3-hair units.'

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                    • 534623
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 1854

                      Originally posted by didi

                      Only in individuals with very low
                      hair density (with severe male pattern baldness) are
                      the 1-hair units more abundant than the 3-hair units.'[/I]
                      Ahhh, that means didi has more 3-hair units than 1-hair units - I understand...

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                      • Arashi
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 3888

                        Originally posted by 534623
                        Generally speaking, the multi-FU story and/or the "more hair for your buck"-story, has always been nothing more than an overhyped story among HT clinics to fool layman. And even those patients who have indeed lots of multis in their donor area ...
                        Where are you getting all this bullshit ? Do a search for people who posted their graft breakdown. You'll see 95% of the times that they transplanted more doubles than singles. Except of course at HASCI, pretty much the only clinic who doesn't even give a graft breakdown. And now we know why ...

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                        • greatjob!
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 909

                          Originally posted by Arashi
                          Where are you getting all this bullshit ? Do a search for people who posted their graft breakdown. You'll see 95% of the times that they transplanted more doubles than singles. Except of course at HASCI, pretty much the only clinic who doesn't even give a graft breakdown. And now we know why ...
                          He has gone full blown crazy, distorting his reality to ignore the downfalls of hst.

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                          • Arashi
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 3888

                            Originally posted by greatjob!
                            He has gone full blown crazy, distorting his reality to ignore the downfalls of hst.
                            I was kind of shocked when he kept denying how many grafts were in that petridish, even when shown the photo again. His reality is so distorted that even if evidence is right in front of him, he'll just look the other way.

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                            • 534623
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 1854

                              Originally posted by Arashi

                              I was kind of shocked when he kept denying how many grafts were in that petridish, even when shown the photo again.
                              Yeah - and that's the reason why Kristel sent you the petridish-photo:

                              Idiots like you should be shocked - to get rid of them. What else ...

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                              • didi
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2011
                                • 1360

                                Originally posted by 534623
                                Yeah - and that's the reason why Kristel sent you the petridish-photo:

                                Idiots like you should be shocked - to get rid of them. What else ...

                                IM sounds like some brainwashed SS nazi,

                                after seeing petri dish everyone lost interest in hst, both HT doctors and prospective patients, petri was final nail in the coffin


                                Nobody even bothers asking hard questions about hst...photos and 2 failed tests sum it up

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