a second HST session in september

[gc83uk]

Yo Guys, I am considering a GHO procedure........

I see he limits his clinics to doing max 3000 grafts per day.....

I see the fees are:

1800 grafts = £8300

1800+ = £2.25 per graft

Due to the fact that they do 3000 grafts a day max, does that mean you can only pay for 3000 grafts at a time?......which therefore mean for future procedures you have to start again with the fees reset?

or can you pay for 6000 grafts in one go therefore taking advantage of the £2.25 per graft fees.

I would like to think it is the latter but thought I'd check.

Also do you know how soon after the first 3000 grafts that they would do the second 3000? Could it be as soon as the next day?

First off, approx 10 people off this forum including myself have been to Gho, he hasn't given more than 1800 grafts per time to anybody as far as I know. He prefers to be conservative on the first procedure.

They also prefer to wait 9 months between procedures, however I have gone back sooner on a couple of occasions only by a month or 2, but if you decide to go back within the recommended time frame, then you might compromise some of the regrowth in the donor, personally I think 6 months is ok, but I'm not a Dr!

What NW are you? Any pics?

To answer your question on the fees, yes you'd have to do 3000 grafts in 1 day to benefit from the lower per graft price. You can't spread the 3000 grafts over 2 days, it would just be the price of 1500 grafts each day.

[sausage]

First off, approx 10 people off this forum including myself have been to Gho, he hasn't given more than 1800 grafts per time to anybody as far as I know. He prefers to be conservative on the first procedure.

They also prefer to wait 9 months between procedures, however I have gone back sooner on a couple of occasions only by a month or 2, but if you decide to go back within the recommended time frame, then you might compromise some of the regrowth in the donor, personally I think 6 months is ok, but I'm not a Dr!

What NW are you? Any pics?

To answer your question on the fees, yes you'd have to do 3000 grafts in 1 day to benefit from the lower per graft price. You can't spread the 3000 grafts over 2 days, it would just be the price of 1500 grafts each day.

ok, so surely he or more specifically the surgeons at the clinic would do 3000 grafts in a day if the patient wanted that many grafts?

[gc83uk]

ok, so surely he or more specifically the surgeons at the clinic would do 3000 grafts in a day if the patient wanted that many grafts?

I'd be interested to hear the outcome of that. I think if you wanted 3000 in one day, then you would either have to:
a) Have a very large donor area (Big head)
b) Basically tell them you're willing to take a risk that the donor growth might be compromised and waiver them any responsibility if you don't get the regrowth.

That's the way I see it.

The other problem is time. I'm pretty sure 3000 would take at least 12 hours, that's from personal experience and from others have said here, some have been in the clinic for 8-10 hours just for 1400-1800 grafts.

I think you're best bet would be to ask them to do it over 2 days. 1400-1500 per day.

What Norwood level are you?

[534623]

or can you pay for 6000 grafts in one go [aka "in advance"] therefore taking advantage of the £2.25 per graft fees.

hmmm...actually, you bring up an interesting point:

When you look at the (current) price list, this price list is, in fact, actually "unfair" for all those (poor) guys, who have

- rather limited donor supply (they are simply unable to get more than around 1500 grafts per procedure -if at all- out from YOUR donor area, due to etc etc etc)

- at the same time, these guys will need, on the other hand, TONS of grafts (NW 5-6 candidates etc) in general, to get, finally, an adequate coverage one day.

The only way, to get what you "suggested", would/could be

1) a kind of CONTRACT with the HSI; that means, you undersign a contract, for let's say at least 3 or 4 procedures to get the "benefit" of the lower price per graft.

2) Another suggestion would be that as soon as you go for a 2nd, 3rd etc session (without any contract), you will simply get a better price per graft - or something.

Anyway, unfortunately, all these suggestions are currently NOT the case (you have always to pay the current price per graft!) - at least to the best of my knowledge.

[caddarik79]

hmmm...actually, you bring up an interesting point:

When you look at the (current) price list, this price list is, in fact, actually "unfair" for all those (poor) guys, who have

- rather limited donor supply (they are simply unable to get more than around 1500 grafts per procedure -if at all- out from YOUR donor area, due to etc etc etc)

- at the same time, these guys will need, on the other hand, TONS of grafts (NW 5-6 candidates etc) in general, to get, finally, an adequate coverage one day.

The only way, to get what you "suggested", would/could be

1) a kind of CONTRACT with the HSI; that means, you undersign a contract, for let's say at least 3 or 4 procedures to get the "benefit" of the lower price per graft.

2) Another suggestion would be that as soon as you go for a 2nd, 3rd etc session (without any contract), you will simply get a better price per graft - or something.

Anyway, unfortunately, all these suggestions are currently NOT the case (you have always to pay the current price per graft!) - at least to the best of my knowledge.

true that it would be nice from them to considering lowering the prices for people who do more than one procedure.
And also true that it's a bit segregative, some people have less donor and will pay more...

I was wondering about the price evolution...democratisation, last time...
Need compretitors for that, and for the moment, it's rather empty.

[sausage]

I'd be interested to hear the outcome of that. I think if you wanted 3000 in one day, then you would either have to:
a) Have a very large donor area (Big head)
b) Basically tell them you're willing to take a risk that the donor growth might be compromised and waiver them any responsibility if you don't get the regrowth.

That's the way I see it.

The other problem is time. I'm pretty sure 3000 would take at least 12 hours, that's from personal experience and from others have said here, some have been in the clinic for 8-10 hours just for 1400-1800 grafts.

I think you're best bet would be to ask them to do it over 2 days. 1400-1500 per day.

What Norwood level are you?

If this is the case...I don't really understand why they are so against doing 3000 grafts in one session.......why I hear you ask.......

Just go on their website.....

First of all click on 'Hair Stem Cell Transplantation'. Scroll to the bottom of the page. Look at the table they have created showing how HST compares to FUE and FUT.........Look under 'Maximum grafts per day' and it says 3000. If they are not keen or don't do up to 3000 grafts a day then this is false advertising and concerns me that other things they claim may be false too.

And also as I have already mentioned, their pricing chart goes up to 3000 grafts and gets cheaper after having 1800, how can any customer (who needs over 1800 grafts) take advantage of these cheaper grafts if the clinic only do up do 1800 grafts.

I understand I will need to get in contact with HASCI about this but just based on your experience and those of others it is a little concerning.

PS. Can anyone access the 'rates' page on the HASCI website, it has failed to open for me for the past 2 days.

Also, I am a NW6 so yes I need a lot of grafts. As Gho claims 85% regrowth then this method should be fine for me. Whereas surgeons doing FUE have told me they would only be able to extract 3000 grafts which isn't enough.....with Gho I can extract 6000 grafts and will only lose 15% of that due to the 85% regrowth, so I would lose just 900 grafts from the back of my head whereas FUE would have taken 3000 from me.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

if they could do 3000 in one pass with 10000euro all i would do it ..more than once

[sausage]

if they could do 3000 in one pass with 10000euro all i would do it ..more than once

It is more than that, it is £11,100 for 3000, that's if they actually allow you to pay like that which I would expect they do. But as GC said it seems they are very reluctant or don't even do 3000 grafts in one day even though it states that on their website.

If it was pay £8300 for 1800 grafts and £2,25 per graft thereafter up to as many grafts you are having over time then I would be up for getting this done.

As of yet their website is not working so I cannot book a consultation. Pfffft.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

anything less than 3000 i think is going to be waste of time and money

[gc83uk]

If this is the case...I don't really understand why they are so against doing 3000 grafts in one session.......why I hear you ask.......

Just go on their website.....

First of all click on 'Hair Stem Cell Transplantation'. Scroll to the bottom of the page. Look at the table they have created showing how HST compares to FUE and FUT.........Look under 'Maximum grafts per day' and it says 3000. If they are not keen or don't do up to 3000 grafts a day then this is false advertising and concerns me that other things they claim may be false too.

And also as I have already mentioned, their pricing chart goes up to 3000 grafts and gets cheaper after having 1800, how can any customer (who needs over 1800 grafts) take advantage of these cheaper grafts if the clinic only do up do 1800 grafts.

I understand I will need to get in contact with HASCI about this but just based on your experience and those of others it is a little concerning.

PS. Can anyone access the 'rates' page on the HASCI website, it has failed to open for me for the past 2 days.

Also, I am a NW6 so yes I need a lot of grafts. As Gho claims 85% regrowth then this method should be fine for me. Whereas surgeons doing FUE have told me they would only be able to extract 3000 grafts which isn't enough.....with Gho I can extract 6000 grafts and will only lose 15% of that due to the 85% regrowth, so I would lose just 900 grafts from the back of my head whereas FUE would have taken 3000 from me.

What your saying here has probably crossed most peoples mind at some point. I would bet that most who have seen Gho have wanted more grafts than they ended up receiving. I even seem to remember Iron Man wanting more, but ended up with 1600 approx. It seems to be a precautionary measure on the first procedure.

Not sure what else I can say on that to help you more than I already have.

As for the false advertising thing. I know for a fact they have done 2500 grafts on one patient in 1 day, that was a couple of years ago when I heard about that, so I'm presuming for them to even mention 3000 grafts then they must have done so, otherwise like you said it is false advertising. When I pushed for more info, they said for such cases the donor would need to be large and in good condition.

Make of that what you will. Best thing is to contact them and post their answer here. The more info the better.

And the rates link works fine for me!

[sausage]

What your saying here has probably crossed most peoples mind at some point. I would bet that most who have seen Gho have wanted more grafts than they ended up receiving. I even seem to remember Iron Man wanting more, but ended up with 1600 approx. It seems to be a precautionary measure on the first procedure.

Not sure what else I can say on that to help you more than I already have.

As for the false advertising thing. I know for a fact they have done 2500 grafts on one patient in 1 day, that was a couple of years ago when I heard about that, so I'm presuming for them to even mention 3000 grafts then they must have done so, otherwise like you said it is false advertising. When I pushed for more info, they said for such cases the donor would need to be large and in good condition.

Make of that what you will. Best thing is to contact them and post their answer here. The more info the better.

And the rates link works fine for me!

ok, what about 2nd, 3rd, 4th procedures........I assume if you are saying they a precautionary with the 1st procedure then if the 1st procedure went well they would go up to 3000 grafts in one day if the patient wanted.

The website is hit and miss with me, sometimes pages do not load, the consultation/email form errors every time I try it.....so I have just sent an email to their London email via hotmail.

[gc83uk]

ok, what about 2nd, 3rd, 4th procedures........I assume if you are saying they a precautionary with the 1st procedure then if the 1st procedure went well they would go up to 3000 grafts in one day if the patient wanted.

The website is hit and miss with me, sometimes pages do not load, the consultation/email form errors every time I try it.....so I have just sent an email to their London email via hotmail.

Not having any browser problems here, I've just clicked about 20 odd links on their site. Might be worth clearing your cache or using a second browser to see if it's local or not!

You're asking smart questions, so hopefully you've sent all these in an email to HASCI, do me a favour post them here when you get a reply plz.

Like I said before though, if you wanted 3000 in one day, then you would have to tell them that you want 3000 or nothing kinda thing, but I'm damn sure that they'll say you may compromise the donor regrowth because of the number extractions, it'll be a blood bath. Acceptable for FUE, but HST is different!

If you have a large head/donor area then the extractions won't be so close to each other hence the 3000 figure would probably be possible.

This is just what I think!

[sausage]

Not having any browser problems here, I've just clicked about 20 odd links on their site. Might be worth clearing your cache or using a second browser to see if it's local or not!

You're asking smart questions, so hopefully you've sent all these in an email to HASCI, do me a favour post them here when you get a reply plz.

Like I said before though, if you wanted 3000 in one day, then you would have to tell them that you want 3000 or nothing kinda thing, but I'm damn sure that they'll say you may compromise the donor regrowth because of the number extractions, it'll be a blood bath. Acceptable for FUE, but HST is different!

If you have a large head/donor area then the extractions won't be so close to each other hence the 3000 figure would probably be possible.

This is just what I think!

I might try to clear the cache some other time. I tried a different browser...no luck....I tried filling in a consultation on their foreign sites and no luck either.....

how did you book your consultation....did u do it through the form?

Yes, in the email I have asked the same sort of questions so will let you know if I get any sort of response....

[gc83uk]

I might try to clear the cache some other time. I tried a different browser...no luck....I tried filling in a consultation on their foreign sites and no luck either.....

how did you book your consultation....did u do it through the form?

Yes, in the email I have asked the same sort of questions so will let you know if I get any sort of response....

Yes I did everything via email. I also sent them some photos and within a few weeks I went down to London.

If you don't hear back from web-form then I'll give you the email address of Deborah who usually emails back within a few hours.

All the best.

[sausage]

Yes I did everything via email. I also sent them some photos and within a few weeks I went down to London.

If you don't hear back from web-form then I'll give you the email address of Deborah who usually emails back within a few hours.

All the best.

ok, sweet. Cheers.

Good to hear that waiting times for consultations are short.