a second HST session in september

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  • elvispresley
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2011
    • 115

    Originally posted by didi
    Dr Nigam doesn't want to share his technique with Indian surgeons,

    I though he would be more open about it, I don't want him to become like Gho and refuse to share it


    Then when you talk to these Indian doctors they think Dr Nigam is bogus



    dr Mwamba/Cole should look into this asap
    when i say share i mean share the info result and dialog with people.
    sharing the tecnique is very difficult in this world of moneycentrisism.
    for me at the moment he has the best approach.
    sharing the result ,be constantly answering the community is good enough for me. is respectful and he is asking respect to other doctors , still imho

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    • sanook
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 105

      Originally posted by sausage
      I would say it takes more than '2' off. it at least takes 50% off your looks.

      I just wrote a new thread about an experience I had last night which pretty sums up everything.

      I went out to town last night. A girl started a conversation with me and my mates, she basically in the bluntest of ways said I was not good looking enough for another bar in town which I said I went to earlier in the night......yes, I should have shafted a sharp object up her vagina at that point!!!!!! she did not say it in a nasty tone, but she said it, she pretty much said she wasn't good enough for that pub as well......and to be honest she wasn't attractive but I wasn't an asshole like her and did not say that to her.....weirdly I think she was coming onto me as she was asking me to come to a bar where she worked and got a bit flirty.....stupid bitch, abusing me then cracking onto me, I dunno what the **** she was playing at.....

      Whereas in the past, when I had hair, I had attractive girls come up to me.......now I am very bald........an ugly girl straight out gives me shit cos I'm bald...

      It is a complete 360 degree turn from where I was when I had hair...

      THERE IS A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE IN HOW PEOPLE PERCEIVE YOU AS A BALD MAN.
      It almost sounds too rude to be true.

      You mentioned she wasn't attractive... maybe in a weird twisted way she was trying to lower your self confidence to make herself a worthy candidate?

      Either way, I can't stand people like that. They have no tact.

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      • sausage
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2012
        • 1063

        Originally posted by sanook
        It almost sounds too rude to be true.

        You mentioned she wasn't attractive... maybe in a weird twisted way she was trying to lower your self confidence to make herself a worthy candidate?

        Either way, I can't stand people like that. They have no tact.
        Yeah, I don't get it.

        I'd never start a convo with a girl in that manner, if I did my balls would be crushed. As a normal polite human being I would not even fathom doing that so why would anyone else.

        She did look like she was in her early 30's and she probably hadn't had any action in a while.....realised she wasn't particularly attractive and like you say, tried to lower my self esteem to try to say I was in her 5th division league, not the Premier League.

        I don't really know what the **** her game was. It has just really got to me.

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        • Vox
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2013
          • 298

          Originally posted by sausage
          I don't think daughters care how their dads look, I am not surprised they would see a hair transplant as unnecessary, an unnecessary waste of money, and unnecessary risk.......daughters would be worried about a father going under the knife.
          I was not clear enough: she said that she does not want to see me change. Parents are for children THE reference, so they better stay invariable for as long as possible. I will not forget either the comments she made even months after I changed my old eyeglasses. Yes, it took her months to accept even such a simple thing. I observe generally that changes on me can alarm her.

          Originally posted by sausage
          I don't know how old you are but it does surprise me that anyone over 50 would bother getting a HT but it obviously effects them too, even though they are most likely settled down, not expected to have hair.....

          Older generations getting upset about hairloss puts it into perspective how horrendous it is for people in their teens and 20's who have to deal with this shit.
          I have not really any intention to get a HT, I was just fooling around with them by curiosity to see what is their position in this. What a HT can anyway do to NW7 head? Nothing, except for ruining the natural slick look if something goes not that well. But as I said in the other thread, I want my hair back for its primitive and most important role, that is protection.

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          • greatjob!
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2011
            • 909

            Originally posted by caddarik79
            My french speaking correspondant there confirmed me a 11.540 grafts patient who got 9 procedures
            Ok I missed this thread and I am not going to read through 11 pages of what is probably nonsense, so if anyone asked this then forgive me.

            But if there is someone who has done what is quoted here why haven't we seen before and after shots? This would essentially be something close to a full restoration and more or less prove HST's claims. I would expect this result to be plastered everywhere, sooooo where is the proof to back up this claim?

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            • didi
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2011
              • 1360

              Originally posted by greatjob!
              Ok I missed this thread and I am not going to read through 11 pages of what is probably nonsense, so if anyone asked this then forgive me.

              But if there is someone who has done what is quoted here why haven't we seen before and after shots? This would essentially be something close to a full restoration and more or less prove HST's claims. I would expect this result to be plastered everywhere, sooooo where is the proof to back up this claim?


              11500 hst grafts equals 7000 FUE/FUT grafts , number of hairs is more important than number of grafts, H&W does it all the time, 7000 grafts is nowhere near enough to give high NW full head of hair, illusion at best

              even if this '11500' case is true its not impressive at all and that's the best case they got after 8 years of doubling

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              • greatjob!
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2011
                • 909

                Originally posted by didi
                11500 hst grafts equals 7000 FUE/FUT grafts , number of hairs is more important than number of grafts, H&W does it all the time, 7000 grafts is not nowhere near enough to give high NW full head of hair, illusion at best

                even if this '11500' case is true its not impressive at all and that's the best case they got after 8 years of doubling
                True, but it would at least prove that they are able to perform a high graft count, high quality hair transplant, as of yet I have seen neither.

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                • Arashi
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 3888

                  Originally posted by didi
                  11500 hst grafts equals 7000 FUE/FUT grafts , number of hairs is more important than number of grafts, H&W does it all the time, 7000 grafts is nowhere near enough to give high NW full head of hair, illusion at best

                  even if this '11500' case is true its not impressive at all and that's the best case they got after 8 years of doubling
                  Might be even less. From the 2 50-grafts tests, and also by looking at my own results, I get the idea that the average hair/graft is about 1.3 at HASCI, while 2.5 is the average in humans in general. So it might very well be that 11.500 hst graft equals about 6000 FUE graft.

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                  • caddarik79
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2013
                    • 495

                    so Arashi, you are about to reach or you have reached your final result!!

                    disappointed?

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                    • hellouser
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2012
                      • 4419

                      Originally posted by Arashi
                      Might be even less. From the 2 50-grafts tests, and also by looking at my own results, I get the idea that the average hair/graft is about 1.3 at HASCI, while 2.5 is the average in humans in general. So it might very well be that 11.500 hst graft equals about 6000 FUE graft.
                      Right around the average maximum number of donor hair an individual has. So really, doesn't look like a great benefit.

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                      • didi
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 1360

                        Originally posted by Arashi
                        Might be even less. From the 2 50-grafts tests, and also by looking at my own results, I get the idea that the average hair/graft is about 1.3 at HASCI, while 2.5 is the average in humans in general. So it might very well be that 11.500 hst graft equals about 6000 FUE graft.

                        True , I was very generous when I said 7000 but anyway these numbers are big turn off,

                        You need 7 years to get 6000 real grafts, if you lucky to have enough $$, patience and donor hair

                        My guess is most guys simply give up after few procedures

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                        • Arashi
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2012
                          • 3888

                          Originally posted by caddarik79
                          so Arashi, you are about to reach or you have reached your final result!!

                          disappointed?
                          I'm not disappointed I did this. My hair looks a lot better right now, so I'm really happy I did it. However, I must confess I did expect a bit more density. If I had to take a wild guess, based on my post-op photo's and the current situation, I'd say about 80% of the grafts in recipient grew. Maybe a bit more. And since I'm at month 8 now, I can and should still expect a bit more to come. I'll do an analysis of my temples when I'm at 12 months. I think it will probably end up above the 90% mark, which seems to be pretty standard for FUE nowadays.

                          I think the main reason that it's a bit thinner than I had hoped is that HASCI seems to mainly transplant single hair grafts

                          So, would I do it again if I could turn back time ? Definitely !! And I would also again do it at HASCI, if only for the scarless aspect. But again, I had also hoped for a bit better result.

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                          • caddarik79
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2013
                            • 495

                            if mwamba and nigam bring a real hair doubling with 100% regen, it might be a total game changer!!!

                            Just afraid of the price policy of mwamba who is already f*ckin expensive!!!

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                            • greatjob!
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 909

                              Originally posted by Arashi
                              Might be even less. From the 2 50-grafts tests, and also by looking at my own results, I get the idea that the average hair/graft is about 1.3 at HASCI, while 2.5 is the average in humans in general. So it might very well be that 11.500 hst graft equals about 6000 FUE graft.
                              So from this information then Dr. Gho is not really getting true regeneration(ie. taking two follicles from the donor and putting two in the recipient while still leaving two follicles in the donor) he is just splitting hairs, right?

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                              • caddarik79
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2013
                                • 495

                                he said in his very official interview with spencer that two hairs taken from donor = two hairs in recipient and two hairs back in donor.

                                But forum specialists contested that and none of them buys it!!!

                                They also very officialy claim 80-85% regeneration, but again, here in the bald truth forum, they found out that it's less then 50


                                :-)

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