Aderans

[mjolnir]

All I need is something to replace finpecia when it'll stop working.

If Aderans can do that, that's amazing to me.

You ever consider just making your peace with it at that point? Obviously hair loss bothers me - I'm on this site, and I like knowing that things are in the works - but I also would like to think that in a few more years I won't really care any more. Shaved heads are becoming more acceptable, and there is some truth to the idea of inner beauty being what really counts.

[ihavebeenchosenithasbegun]

All I need is something to replace finpecia when it'll stop working.

If Aderans can do that, that's amazing and good enough for me.

[mjolnir]

Geez NW2 is not much of a problem for some hairstyles, but it effectively limited me from having a shorter kind of hairstyle throughout my 20s. An attempt to get the crew cut of your dreams will in the worst case reveal a severely thinning NW3, even if you could pull off a full-blown NW1-look with a longer set of locks provided, that the wind is on your side.

I don't think people should have to hide the fact that they're a NW2. If you're nearing a NW3 and have the start of a bald spot, then sure, it doesn't always look great. But if you're just a NW2, only the most shallow of the shallow are going to care, or even consciously notice the fact that your temples have receded a bit. It's like some (don't want to over generalize) women and shoes - they care about them a lot more than any potential mate is ever going to. I've known women who will completely obsess about it, and yet I don't think I have ever, in my entire life, judged the attractiveness of a woman based on her footwear. Again, if you have a severe bald spot, that can look pretty awkward and unattractive, but I think there's a lot of room before you hit that threshold, or at least more room than a lot of the people on this forum think there is.

edit: also, in case anyone were curious, I'm probably around a 3V, though with the right styling I can pretty much hide the thin patch completely. Don't really care about my temples - those went years ago. But the diffuse thinning snuck up on me (infrequent haircuts, and the fact that most people are too polite to mention that they can see your scalp), and by the time I even became aware of the existence of Propecia (why don't they advertise?) it was too late to really reverse anything in any substantial way.

[Alf]

oh and I'm barely NW2 and improving.

???

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[clarence]

Geez NW2 is not much of a problem for some hairstyles, but it effectively limited me from having a shorter kind of hairstyle throughout my 20s. An attempt to get the crew cut of your dreams will in the worst case reveal a severely thinning NW3, even if you could pull off a full-blown NW1-look with a longer set of locks provided, that the wind is on your side.

[hellouser]

Neither Aderans nor Replicel will be able to "immunize" follicles from DHT. Just forget about it. This is not how it works.

oh and I'm barely NW2 and improving. I'm not bitter, I'm just disappointed with everyone involved in this industry. So much incompetence...

You may claim to not be bitter but you're undeniably pessimistic and negative on just about every matter there is on this forum.

[mjolnir]

Neither Aderans nor Replicel will be able to "immunize" follicles from DHT. Just forget about it. This is not how it works.

oh and I'm barely NW2 and improving. I'm not bitter, I'm just disappointed with everyone involved in this industry. So much incompetence...

Hmm, if you don't mind my asking, why are you on this site? NW2 isn't that bad, and a slightly recessed hairline can make a guy look more distinguished. Are you worried about side effects from propecia?

I really don't think it's fair to make charges of incompetence. Hair follicles are complicated little things, and the fact that these companies are even accomplishing anything at all is kind of amazing from a scientific standpoint, even if not from a practical one. Given that's is a purely cosmetic problem, and given the state of things just a few decades ago, I really think you should reconsider your cynicism. Or if nothing else, maybe take a break from the forums for a bit - there's an extent to which the less often I check this site, the less I actually care about the fact that I have a bald spot; constantly reminding yourself isn't good if you're not getting anything positive out of it.

[2020]

Neither Aderans nor Replicel will be able to "immunize" follicles from DHT. Just forget about it. This is not how it works.

oh and I'm barely NW2 and improving. I'm not bitter, I'm just disappointed with everyone involved in this industry. So much incompetence...

[goingquick]

From what I can see, Aderans does just as well as propecia, and while probably more expensive in the short term, could very well be cheaper in the long term (propecia ain't cheap).

Propecia will go generic in 2013

edit: Don't get me wrong, I'd still rather get Aderan's treatment than take Propecia, but the cost of finasteride isn't a motivating factor.

[goingquick]

So far all the new treatments seem to be very promising for those in the early stages of diffuse hair loss.

For those of us with slick bald spots, it seems repeating treatments as well as combining different treatments will be necessary. Whether or not that would be any more affordable than a mega-session hair transplant remains to be seen...

[mjolnir]

lol then you are one of those desperate forum people who will hang out by this forum for a long time...

Do tell us - why are you on this forum?

oh god the ignorance here is hurting me...

THINK OF THE AVERAGE HAIR LOSS SUFFERER. Both genders. Don't think of yourself or anyone else from this forum. Most people from this forum(dozens) will take 20 pills in order to grow a couple hair. Billions of people who don't even visit hair loss forums won't. Hair loss is not the end of the world for 95+% people.

And yet it's still a massive industry.

No one is going to pay thousands of dollars to maintain their bald head.

1) We don't know what the cost will be.
2) Most people don't wait until they're completely bald before getting treatment. Scenario: there's a history of baldness in my family, and I've noticed my crown is starting to thin. I could either get Aderans now, or a hair transplant in a few years. Personally, I'd go for the one that's cheaper, less invasive, and preventative.

Women(bigger market than men I assure you) don't even need "maintenance" as all of their hormonal disorders that cause hair loss are completely curable but they won't be able to regrow all of their hair. Are you even thinking this through?

Don't know enough about pattern baldness in women to comment.

This isn't all completely hopeless. Aderans and Replicel are done for sure. They should have never tried treating hair loss using cell based treatments. There is still Histogen which I'm personally giving ~50% chance of it even coming into the market.

From what I can see, Aderans does just as well as propecia, and while probably more expensive in the short term, could very well be cheaper in the long term (propecia ain't cheap). And cell based treatments are the future of medicine in general, not just hair loss.

I'm going to take a guess that you're a bitter NW7, and I'm sorry you don't appreciate the advances being made here. But just because something is useless for you doesn't mean it's useless for everyone.

[Alf]

OK, i have diffuse hair loss any increase in hair density is welcome and would in fact give me noticeable results.

This was phase 2, why didn't they test if the stuff was compundable? They knew from phase 1 that the patient needs several treatments, so for safety checks shouldn't they check what happens when the patients do in fact get severalt treatments? Same goes for results?

[2020]

Very interested.

lol then you are one of those desperate forum people who will hang out by this forum for a long time...

Success rate will be dependent on stage of hairloss and your genetics!

Don't forget the possibility of using Histogen to kick start the follicles and then Aderans to maintain these follicles in the near future!

I just hope Aderans will be available soon! I hate the waiting game

P.S. The 60% response rate was regarding hair regrowth! I wonder how many % maintained their hair?

oh god the ignorance here is hurting me...

THINK OF THE AVERAGE HAIR LOSS SUFFERER. Both genders. Don't think of yourself or anyone else from this forum. Most people from this forum(dozens) will take 20 pills in order to grow a couple hair. Billions of people who don't even visit hair loss forums won't. Hair loss is not the end of the world for 95+% people. No one is going to pay thousands of dollars to maintain their bald head. Women(bigger market than men I assure you) don't even need "maintenance" as all of their hormonal disorders that cause hair loss are completely curable but they won't be able to regrow all of their hair. Are you even thinking this through?


This isn't all completely hopeless. Aderans and Replicel are done for sure. They should have never tried treating hair loss using cell based treatments. There is still Histogen which I'm personally giving ~50% chance of it even coming into the market.

[mjolnir]

Does he sound "thrilled" in the new video?

As thrilled as anyone does at a medical conference.

The fact is, we can speculate all we like, but that won't actually affect anything. The only reason to check this forum is if you're looking for a bit hope as you come to terms with your condition. So what's the harm in being optimistic?

[534623]

Call me cynical but this process always seems to repeat itself with these new technologies.

First, the treatment is said to create totally new follicles. When that doesn't prove to be the case, the claim then becomes that it rejuvenates weakened/miniaturized follicles. Finally, they say it prevents the existing follicles from miniaturization. With each claim it becomes more and more difficult to prove.

Interview with Dr. Washenik in June, 2003:

HS: Can you tell us more about this technique that ARI is currently researching? Does it create a brand new follicle or does it rejuvenate existing dormant or inactive follicles?

Dr. Washenik: Our plan is to create new follicles. We don’t expect to rejuvenate dormant hair follicles, but if that happens, we would be thrilled and that would certainly be a very pleasant surprise.
This may sound like a marketing slogan, but Dr. Lee Bosley often says "hair transplantation is minor surgery but major artistry" because the doctor is deciding where to place the grafts in order to achieve the desired artistic effects.
With tissue engineered hair growth or follicle neogenesis, we are creating a brand new follicle and the onus is on the person implanting the hair seeds to create an artistically acceptable result.
On the contrary,
if old follicles can be rejuvenated, that would be wonderful because we do not have to worry about the hair direction and angle. Everything is already predetermined by nature and we simply have to restart the process. Right now [2003] our focus is creation of new follicles, but I would be thrilled if we can rejuvenate dormant hair follicles too.

Does he sound "thrilled" in the new video?