Histogen Update - Spencer Kobren Speaks With Dr. Craig L. Ziering

[2020]

Wait? Because I've got a life to live now....gho is here now, histogen are years away. There are new treatments being discussed every month. New topicals. New drugs on the horizon.

Histogen's phase 2 will end in december. I assume Phase 3 will take a year too so with all that, Histogen will be completely finished at the end of 2013/early 2014. That's barely two years!

What norwood are you right now? It's not worth permanently damaging your scalp tissue especially if you know that a "cure" is almost here...

[JJJJrS]

because it's dumb and it wouldn't work for 100% of women and 90% of men. Only those men with "perfect recessions" with no diffuse thinning could somewhat benefit from it....

I don't understand at all why Gho's HST treatment would work for only 10% of men and 0% of women. For the most part it's no different than a standard FUE hair transplant except with slightly different extraction and cultivation methods which result in the supposed donor regeneration and minimal scarring.

If you're talking about diffuse thinning and shock loss, that can be negated with careful planning and the surgeon's skill. There are surgeons who can get reasonably high density in areas that aren't slick bald and of course, the hugely expanded donor supply that Gho claims to offer helps with that.

In the end though, it is a hair transplant, so the final aesthetic result depends on the skill and artistry of the surgeon.

why can't you wait for a real treatment? Histogen is almost here and this PGD2 stuff will be confirmed in the next couple months.

We have no idea when these treatments will come out and exactly how effective they will be. If I knew for sure that Histogen would release a product in a few years that would regrow my hair to close to 50% of my original density then I would wait. But I've been waiting for a while now and I'm still young and would like to enjoy life. I don't want to delay things, wait for years, and then find out these treatments didn't make it, which is a very distinct possibility.

That's why I'm interested in Gho's procedure. It's out there right now and sounds very interesting yet there still isn't a consensus on how well it works. Even if you're not interested in it, it's still worth investigating for all the people who are getting hair transplants. We should all be aware of what options we have out there now. Hopefully we find out more information about Histogen soon as well.

[neversaynever]

because it's dumb and it wouldn't work for 100% of women and 90% of men. Only those men with "perfect recessions" with no diffuse thinning could somewhat benefit from it....

why can't you wait for a real treatment? Histogen is almost here and this PGD2 stuff will be confirmed in the next couple months.

I mostly agree with your posts, but not this one.

Wait? Because I've got a life to live now....gho is here now, histogen are years away. There are new treatments being discussed every month. New topicals. New drugs on the horizon.

@ tracy - lack of evidence? Actually, I have seen more real life evidence from HASCI than Ive seen from histogen, replicel, follica, combined. But you trust their evidence more than Hasci.

Think about that. You are trusting a few macro photos (very very few) and some % figures as evidence. Replicel suddenly have improved figures, after what was perceived as a failure by most, and news spread quickly of histogens brilliant progress. Suspect? Not to you. I believe that is called BLIND FAITH. They haven't even released ANY photos as PROOF.

One guy on this forum have given evidence of regrowth in the donor and a good yield. You say 'thats only one' but its still one more real life example than all of the research groups combined (no mice do not count). There is more evidence that HASCI are for real. Unfortunately they are celebrities. A very well known HT doctor has written a letter of apology, stating that HASCI are doing exactly what they claim. There are scientific papers that NO OTHER doctors have bothered to disprove. The hasci approach HAS BEEN proven to be true by one other scientist, Jahoda I believe. The bigger question is does the donor and receipient generate terminal hairs. And there are 4 or 5 members of this and HS forum that will / have provide(d) photos. I am one of those....


In terms of HSC vs fin. Again, it depends on price. Whos to say that HSC is a once in a life time treatment. One could have it done every 2 or 3 years. Or maybe one treatment will be enough (i doubt that though). We will see...

No, its not a cure. No, it doesnt make you immune to baldness. But yes, it should be a repeatable treatment. I really don't see the need for fin to slow down baldness if HSC gets FAR better results and is repeatable.

I firmly believe histogen will change the industry before anyone else. We will see about replicel at the end of the year.

And yes, Gho should go out of his way to provide proof, but his story is a complicated one. hes a terrible business man. More research is being done, he's fully booked, and i sense while he is booked he doesnt care what a lady on some hairloss site has to say about him.

I think Histogen and Gho are the only two good bets at the moment. But there is a still a huge chance of course that histogens results are impressive because they choose patients who will provide them with a better % figure. Ie, people who still have plenty of hair. If half of their patients were slick bald their average % figures would not be so impressive.

As you like these numbers, I'll give you one now...

"After some research I have come to the conclusion that there is a 92.4% +- 4.2% chance that Tracy is a hypocrite. I have a macro photo for her, if she wants to come see it"

That will be my last ever post. People like you are so annoying.

[UK_]

Really. I am a very hard sell. I worked in a research environment for a very long time. Too long to be easily convinced. I know the difference between good evidence and not so good evidence when I see it.

Ah well that's easy to explain, you're an idiot. What did you research? How to keep reception tidy?

Question: does the term "Gc83uk" ring any bells?

If not, you're in no place to comment on Gho's procedure - I dont get you - you're all "positivity police" for every treatment bar the HASCI treatment, which is probably the best chance we have in curing MPB.

Even the most skilled HT transplant surgeon in the world retracted his comments about Gho's procedure being "misleading" - maybe it's time you retracted yours too.

[2020]

This is what frustrates me a bit on here. We have a possible treatment in Dr. Gho's HST that is available right now that could possibly create 2 hairs from 1 and people aren't trying to get to the bottom of it. We've seen a lot more compelling pictures from Gho than we ever have from Replicel for example.

because it's dumb and it wouldn't work for 100% of women and 90% of men. Only those men with "perfect recessions" with no diffuse thinning could somewhat benefit from it....

why can't you wait for a real treatment? Histogen is almost here and this PGD2 stuff will be confirmed in the next couple months.

[jpm]

Didn't histogen say the hairs they grow back will last as when you lost your hair. Like if you went bald at 20 than it will last 20 years? So if the histogen treatment can work for 20 years that will give plenty of time for replicel to get something permanent.

Well maybe not 20 years because from the age of 0-14 (puberty or whatever age that occurs) there was not dht attacking our hair follicles

[john2399]

Really. I am a very hard sell. I worked in a research environment for a very long time. Too long to be easily convinced. I know the difference between good evidence and not so good evidence when I see it. I have been force fed a ton of shaky evidence about Gho. None of it has been good evidence.





Because Histogen's treatment will not be permenent. Histogen's treatment will not immunize the hair follicles from the damaging effects of DHT. Men will still need to take Finasteride and women will still need to take Spiro to keep the hair they have as well as the hair that grows back.

Didn't histogen say the hairs they grow back will last as when you lost your hair. Like if you went bald at 20 than it will last 20 years? So if the histogen treatment can work for 20 years that will give plenty of time for replicel to get something permanent.

[Tracy C]

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Oh reli?

Really. I am a very hard sell. I worked in a research environment for a very long time. Too long to be easily convinced. I know the difference between good evidence and not so good evidence when I see it. I have been force fed a ton of shaky evidence about Gho. None of it has been good evidence.

Whats the need for fin if HSC restores thin hairs into terminal???

Because Histogen's treatment will not be permenent. Histogen's treatment will not immunize the hair follicles from the damaging effects of DHT. Men will still need to take Finasteride and women will still need to take Spiro to keep the hair they have as well as the hair that grows back.

[JJJJrS]

Im done with forums for a month or so, good luck people. Lets hope more good news is on the way

Aren't you getting a procedure with Gho in a week? Please stick around and share your experiences and pictures

[JJJJrS]

I cannot agree with that.

This is what frustrates me a bit on here. We have a possible treatment in Dr. Gho's HST that is available right now that could possibly create 2 hairs from 1 and people aren't trying to get to the bottom of it. We've seen a lot more compelling pictures from Gho than we ever have from Replicel for example.

Obviously we would all prefer a treatment like Histogen and Replicel that you inject and grows back your original hair but this is years away at the moment. Of course we should keep an eye on them, but in the meantime there should be a lot more attention on Gho's work, precisely because we don't know exactly how well it works. How many people are getting regular transplants and missing out on a procedure that is potentially steps above. Or from the other perspective, how many people are going to Dr. Gho and potentially getting mislead on the claims of donor regeneration. Why don't more people want to get to the bottom of this?!

[neversaynever]

Are you a NW4?

Im a diffuse nw4 vertex something something. If one rubs my head, it feels like a full head of head. So HSC right now would probably give me near enough a full head of hair.

Just hope my hair holds out until histogen release it (if, when, how). And more importantly, I hope histogen get good results with those tiny hairs that you can just about feel, but not see.

One potential use that noone is discussing is the use of HSC during a transplant procedure. Surely the yield would improve greatly?

Im done with forums for a month or so, good luck people. Lets hope more good news is on the way

[neversaynever]

Histogen's treatment probably will knock Minoxidil off the market - but it will not knock Finasteride off the market - or remove the need for Spiro to treat women's hereditary hair loss.





I cannot agree with that.

Whats the need for fin if HSC restores thin hairs into terminal?? Especially if HSC's price is reachable and results last 1-2-3-4-5 years. I really think if HSC goes well, fin is over.

As for Gho, there are a number of people on this and another forum who will visit him soon or have been. Proof is in the pudding. Question is, if that donor regrows terminal hairs and the receipient yield is good with terminal hairs.....will you accept that HST is for real?

[UK_]

Histogen will show all the naysayers - especially the ones on Hairsite ... "OH DR HOFFMAN USED A FAULTY IMAGING SOFTWARE" lmfao.... yeh - and did they also use "faulty imaging software" when they conducted the following study:

http://www.bna.bh/portal/en/news/461380

The naysayers will be shot to shit - cant wait for that day.

[UK_]

I am convinced Histogen will bring a product to the world that will remove minox, fin and others from the market.

In terms of shiney bald scalps out there, i think Dr Gho holds the key, but his patents are blocking progress in that department.

What worries me is how long they will take and how they plan to mass produce it.

If they plan to sell the technology to another company, it will delay things hugely. If they plan to find a partner to bring the treatment to the world, maybe it will be quicker.

But I think everyone has the right to be negative about replicel, histogen etc etc. Because after so many years of let downs, people want it NOW.

By the time they release it, I will probably have crawled too far up the norwood scale to make any real use of it. And all these % figures are a bit misleading.

But for all you nw1-3 men, and most women...i really think histogen will be there for you.

Are you a NW4?

[UK_]

i cannot agree with that.

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Oh reli?