Histogen Update - Spencer Kobren Speaks With Dr. Craig L. Ziering

[UK Boy]

Histogen Questions

Hello everyone

Just got a couple of Histogen related questions cos I'm trying not to come on here everyday anymore so I'm not always completely up to date.

1. A few days ago someone said that Spencer had said that Dr. Ziering had 'exciting news' in regards to Histogen. Was this the results from Dr. Naugton's presentation or are we still expecting some other news? Did Spencer mention when Dr. Ziering would be giving us the news?

2. On sites like Hairsite members such as Iron Moan and his crew say that Histogen won't work, at least not without a lot of extra research on it. I don't understand how they can say this given the results presented by Histogen so far, are they saying Histogen are lying? I thought Histogen couldn't lie on their results cos they're going through proper clinical trials unlike all the 'snake oils' out there. So can someone explain why these people claim that it won't work when it already appears as if it definately does work?

3. Why are the same people as mentioned above so happy to believe that Gho works from photos of the same standard as Histogen but class Histogen's photos as dodgy? I want to believe both can work but I'd much rather have a successful treatment with Histogen than Gho. As others have said, Gho is NOT a cure, in my mind he is just a refined version of FUE, I have no problem with that but I hope for something better.

[tizzle]

is this the reason for still being here?

only because you would instantly delete your account here if you got your hair back doesnt mean that every one would. People here should be thankful for members like tracy who spend so much time an effort into researching and answering questions

[534623]

I have benefited from the current treatments and so have many others.

is this the reason for still being here?

[Tracy C]

Ah well that's easy to explain, you're an idiot.

Actually, no I am not. Far from it. Now you just lost any credibility you might have had.

...you're all "positivity police" for every treatment bar the HASCI treatment, which is probably the best chance we have in curing MPB.

Even if that treatment were the real deal, it is not a cure - and can never truly be considered a cure.

maybe it's time you retracted yours too.

I am a very ethical person. As such I cannot retract my opinion about it.

@ tracy - lack of evidence? Actually, I have seen more real life evidence from HASCI than Ive seen from histogen, replicel, follica, combined.

You have got to joking because you cannot possibly be serious. I have been force fed a ton of shaky evidence on HASCI from all the other Gho cheerleaders. The problem is none if it is good evidence. Do you actually think I don't want this to be the real deal? here is a news flash for you. I do want it to be the real deal. I wish it were the real deal - but I have not seen anything that suggests it actually is the real deal. I understand why so many other doctors are not convinced either.

...all current 'treatments' are snake oil..some better marketed than others, never seen results as advertised,truth is , nothing works, don't believe, look around!

That is not true. I have benefited from the current treatments and so have many others. Unfortunately nothing works for everyone and for some people nothing works at all.

[Supersixx]

Lol. He looks higher than a giraffe's coochie !

[JJJJrS]

Why do you assholes keep bothering spencer with this Gho, there's not much spencer can do. It's up to Gho.

What are you talking about? Who's bothering Spencer? We asked him to look into the procedure and he already said he contacted Gho and will hopefully set up an interview to discuss these issues with him. That's great and basically all we asked for. For now we're just waiting to see damielmillo and neversaynever's results.

What i want to know is this: why doesn't Gho himself hire a 3rd party team or get involved with some clinics to test the efficacy and convince all the skeptics once and for all?

I don't know the answer to that. I wish Gho took more of an effort to prove his procedure but for whatever reason he hasn't. That was the whole reason I asked Spencer. Maybe during their next interview Gho and Spencer can set something like this up and at a later date reveal the results on Bald Truth.

Anyway, this is the Histogen thread, so I don't want to go too off topic.

[2020]

Why do some think that there is a cure out there that is available now but its some secret...........all current 'treatments' are snake oil..some better marketed than others, never seen results as advertised,truth is , nothing works, don't believe, look around! And nobody has the answer to when one will be available... It's like Jesus , some people think he's here, some people think he's coming soon, and some think he'll never come, and until then the church will continue to make its money. Truth is.....nobody knows!

[Supersixx]

Why do some think that there is a cure out there that is available now but its some secret...........all current 'treatments' are snake oil..some better marketed than others, never seen results as advertised,truth is , nothing works, don't believe, look around! And nobody has the answer to when one will be available... It's like Jesus , some people think he's here, some people think he's coming soon, and some think he'll never come, and until then the church will continue to make its money. Truth is.....nobody knows!

[Kirby_]

Nice post neversaynever but please continue posting. I personally am really looking forward to reading about your upcoming procedure. The results you and damielmillo show will have a big effect on a lot of people, including myself. Your contribution to the hair loss forums and community will be huge so don't abandon us

^ This. Don't let the bully get to you, neversaynever!

[yeahyeahyeah]

Not if Gho had a piece of their business money wise.

And who's to say that HT Drs would want to do that?

[Follicle Death Row]

Why does gho need too? Has it occured to anyone that by people not taking on ghos technology, it allows him to monopolise the market?

Imagine if people like feller, rahal , cole adopt his tech. Gho would lose business, and won't be able to set the price like he is now

Not if Gho had a piece of their business money wise.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Look man don't bring the gho bullshit from hairsite here. It's pointless you will not convinced these guys. They don't a squat about hair multiplication so they just keep guessing and guessing without reading anything, maybe they read the tittle of some papers lol.

I've read the papers of Ghos and it makes sense that it SHOULD work. Wait, IT HAS TO WORK but i find it very difficult to do it in practice.

Now there is a lot of evidence pointing that it works from recent patients and that Gho isn't lying about all his crazy "claims".

What i want to know is this: why doesn't Gho himself hire a 3rd party team or get involved with some clinics to test the efficacy and convince all the skeptics once and for all?

Why do you assholes keep bothering spencer with this Gho, there's not much spencer can do. It's up to Gho.

Why does gho need too? Has it occured to anyone that by people not taking on ghos technology, it allows him to monopolise the market?

Imagine if people like feller, rahal , cole adopt his tech. Gho would lose business, and won't be able to set the price like he is now

[Maradona]

I don't understand at all why Gho's HST treatment would work for only 10% of men and 0% of women. For the most part it's no different than a standard FUE hair transplant except with slightly different extraction and cultivation methods which result in the supposed donor regeneration and minimal scarring.

If you're talking about diffuse thinning and shock loss, that can be negated with careful planning and the surgeon's skill. There are surgeons who can get reasonably high density in areas that aren't slick bald and of course, the hugely expanded donor supply that Gho claims to offer helps with that.

In the end though, it is a hair transplant, so the final aesthetic result depends on the skill and artistry of the surgeon.




We have no idea when these treatments will come out and exactly how effective they will be. If I knew for sure that Histogen would release a product in a few years that would regrow my hair to close to 50% of my original density then I would wait. But I've been waiting for a while now and I'm still young and would like to enjoy life. I don't want to delay things, wait for years, and then find out these treatments didn't make it, which is a very distinct possibility.

That's why I'm interested in Gho's procedure. It's out there right now and sounds very interesting yet there still isn't a consensus on how well it works. Even if you're not interested in it, it's still worth investigating for all the people who are getting hair transplants. We should all be aware of what options we have out there now. Hopefully we find out more information about Histogen soon as well.

Look man don't bring the gho bullshit from hairsite here. It's pointless you will not convinced these guys. They don't a squat about hair multiplication so they just keep guessing and guessing without reading anything, maybe they read the tittle of some papers lol.

I've read the papers of Ghos and it makes sense that it SHOULD work. Wait, IT HAS TO WORK but i find it very difficult to do it in practice.

Now there is a lot of evidence pointing that it works from recent patients and that Gho isn't lying about all his crazy "claims".

What i want to know is this: why doesn't Gho himself hire a 3rd party team or get involved with some clinics to test the efficacy and convince all the skeptics once and for all?

Why do you assholes keep bothering spencer with this Gho, there's not much spencer can do. It's up to Gho.

[Nilli57211]

Because Histogen's treatment will not be permenent. Histogen's treatment will not immunize the hair follicles from the damaging effects of DHT. Men will still need to take Finasteride and women will still need to take Spiro to keep the hair they have as well as the hair that grows back.

Except it is very possible that Histogen's injections can be done every few years or so to maintain the hair, rather than continuing to destroy your system with that fin/spiro crap.

I refuse to put that crap in my system - always have, always will.

[JJJJrS]

If not, you're in no place to comment on Gho's procedure - I dont get you - you're all "positivity police" for every treatment bar the HASCI treatment, which is probably the best chance we have in curing MPB.

Doesn't make sense to me either.

I'm interested in Histogen as a future option but I'm also interested in what's out there now. We have a procedure out there now which claims to be generating 2 hairs from 1 with some pretty compelling pictures and we still don't have a consensus whether it truly works or not And people like tracy are dismissive of it and don't show the least bit of interest in it. I can't understand that.

I mostly agree with your posts, but not this one.

Wait? Because I've got a life to live now....gho is here now, histogen are years away. There are new treatments being discussed every month. New topicals. New drugs on the horizon.

@ tracy - lack of evidence? Actually, I have seen more real life evidence from HASCI than Ive seen from histogen, replicel, follica, combined. But you trust their evidence more than Hasci.

Think about that. You are trusting a few macro photos (very very few) and some % figures as evidence. Replicel suddenly have improved figures, after what was perceived as a failure by most, and news spread quickly of histogens brilliant progress. Suspect? Not to you. I believe that is called BLIND FAITH. They haven't even released ANY photos as PROOF.

One guy on this forum have given evidence of regrowth in the donor and a good yield. You say 'thats only one' but its still one more real life example than all of the research groups combined (no mice do not count). There is more evidence that HASCI are for real. Unfortunately they are celebrities. A very well known HT doctor has written a letter of apology, stating that HASCI are doing exactly what they claim. There are scientific papers that NO OTHER doctors have bothered to disprove. The hasci approach HAS BEEN proven to be true by one other scientist, Jahoda I believe. The bigger question is does the donor and receipient generate terminal hairs. And there are 4 or 5 members of this and HS forum that will / have provide(d) photos. I am one of those....


In terms of HSC vs fin. Again, it depends on price. Whos to say that HSC is a once in a life time treatment. One could have it done every 2 or 3 years. Or maybe one treatment will be enough (i doubt that though). We will see...

No, its not a cure. No, it doesnt make you immune to baldness. But yes, it should be a repeatable treatment. I really don't see the need for fin to slow down baldness if HSC gets FAR better results and is repeatable.

I firmly believe histogen will change the industry before anyone else. We will see about replicel at the end of the year.

And yes, Gho should go out of his way to provide proof, but his story is a complicated one. hes a terrible business man. More research is being done, he's fully booked, and i sense while he is booked he doesnt care what a lady on some hairloss site has to say about him.

I think Histogen and Gho are the only two good bets at the moment. But there is a still a huge chance of course that histogens results are impressive because they choose patients who will provide them with a better % figure. Ie, people who still have plenty of hair. If half of their patients were slick bald their average % figures would not be so impressive.

As you like these numbers, I'll give you one now...

"After some research I have come to the conclusion that there is a 92.4% +- 4.2% chance that Tracy is a hypocrite. I have a macro photo for her, if she wants to come see it"

That will be my last ever post. People like you are so annoying.

Nice post neversaynever but please continue posting. I personally am really looking forward to reading about your upcoming procedure. The results you and damielmillo show will have a big effect on a lot of people, including myself. Your contribution to the hair loss forums and community will be huge so don't abandon us