Aderans

[Desmond84]

Feb 2013 update will be very interesting indeed!

If its positive, I will stop spending money on everything and start saving until this treatment comes out. I'll be one of the first to run through their door asking for some shots

[UK_]

Yeah Joker - you're a credit to this forum with all the asking around and researching you do.

[Alf]

I've read some comments by some guy that claims he was part of the 2010 trials , he goes by the name "Bald Half-truth" and he reckons the treatment was only on a small part of his crown. It thickened up a little bit, but it mostly halted his hairloss!

Spanish Dude.
I never had any TOTALLY bald areas... just thinning.
There are two test areas on my scalp.
Both are showing the same results.
The researchers don't tell me the results. I'm just going by my own observations with a mirror and a magnifying glass.
One small area originally had 20 hairs. Now it has 25.
That's actually a 25% increase.
I also notice these very small colorless hairs created (like peach fuzz) that I'm not counting yet. Hopefully they'll develop too.
My name was revealed on ANOTHER website. So I won't be talking about techniques at all... just results. And pix are strictly forbidden.
http://www.*************/hair-loss/f...st_answer.html

If he is telling the truth, that is in my opinion great news. 5 new hairs are obvious not enough, but I hope you get more hairs if you take the treatment multiple times, that is not unreasonable? I'm asking you because I have no medical background I just can't see why there should be a limit for how much hair you can grow when you are injecting new cells. And even if there is a low maximum number of new hairs it would probably be higher than the 2010 results from one guy(halfbadtruth)?

[Desmond84]

Spanish Dude.
I never had any TOTALLY bald areas... just thinning.
There are two test areas on my scalp.
Both are showing the same results.
The researchers don't tell me the results. I'm just going by my own observations with a mirror and a magnifying glass.
One small area originally had 20 hairs. Now it has 25.
That's actually a 25% increase.
I also notice these very small colorless hairs created (like peach fuzz) that I'm not counting yet. Hopefully they'll develop too.
My name was revealed on ANOTHER website. So I won't be talking about techniques at all... just results. And pix are strictly forbidden.
http://www.*************/hair-loss/f...st_answer.html

If he is telling the truth, that is in my opinion great news. 5 new hairs are obvious not enough, but I hope you get more hairs if you take the treatment multiple times, that is not unreasonable? I'm asking you because I have no medical background I just can't see why there should be a limit for how much hair you can grow when you are injecting new cells. And even if there is a low maximum number of new hairs it would probably be higher than the 2010 results from one guy(halfbadtruth)?

Oh wow! another trial subject!!!

I just wish Aderans kept us in the loop a little bit more. We'd be so much happier knowing something is so close to coming out

[Joker]

Real quick, that's the same trial subject. Spanish Dude is the user he was talking to, not the name of the trialist. BaldHalf-Truth is still the only person in the trial we have heard from.

[Desmond84]

Real quick, that's the same trial subject. Spanish Dude is the user he was talking to, not the name of the trialist. BaldHalf-Truth is still the only person in the trial we have heard from.

Oh really! dammit

Guys does anyone know how to contact Aderans to ask when's their next update?

We should ask Spencer to try and suss things out... they would probably give him a bit more info

[JJacobs152]

Oh really! dammit

Guys does anyone know how to contact Aderans to ask when's their next update?

We should ask Spencer to try and suss things out... they would probably give him a bit more info

Their contact # is 678.213.1919

[Buy The Ticket]

Hi guys, what's a realistic ETA on Aderans?

Or is that completely up in the air/anyone's guess at this point?
Thanks.

[Breaking Bald]

Think it's anyone's guess really. I wish these companies would keep us informed. It is incredibly frustrating!

[Joker]

Unfortunately, Aderans doesn't seem very forthcoming with information. Their last update was more than 7 months ago. At the beginning of this year someone on the forums said Spencer planned to interview a representative from Aderans, but it looks like that never materialized. Hopefully Spencer can try again or address this on his show...

[Joker]

Also, in terms of an ETA - it really is up in the air. There are way too many unknown variables to hazard a respectable guess. At this point, it's still possible that the treatment never makes it to market at all.

The absolute best case scenario is the one laid out in the June 2010 powerpoint of Q2 2014. That, sadly, will almost definitely not happen.

However, if Aderans IS recruiting for Phase 3 and plans to start testing in 2013, then late 2014 MIGHT be a possibility.

Then again, if Aderans has only recruited for more Phase 2 trials, we are again left with no indication of how long we have to wait.

Remember, there was a time when Aderans said Phase 2 would be completed by the end of 2009. Then there was a time they said it would be completed by the beginning 2012. Etc. Timelines are really malleable in this industry.

[JJacobs152]

Well maybe with the news Histogen released Aderans is restructuring their R/D. Nothing wrong with getting a larger sample size for their study. The larger the sample size, the better idea we get of how effective this treatment is. Having a study of n=10 with 80% showing improvement looks lol compared to a study of n=1,000 with 50% showing improvements.

I think it will also help them getting investors with larger sample size, see how their product reacts with people of different backgrounds, etc etc. What do you guys think?

[Joker]

Hi, JJ. I definitely agree that larger sample sizes are more accurate and can potentially improve capital procurement.

But with regard to Aderans, I'm confused about their sources of funding...

Aderans Research Institute is backed by Aderans, a large, multi-national corporation. Thus far, it appears as though they have been funded ONLY by Aderans - this makes sense because why would a hair company want to dilute their ownership of a potentially game-changing technology?

Having said that, Vern Liebmann was in an article recently that stated he attended various conferences for investment purposes. Also, Ken Washenik recently presented at "Stem Cell Meeting on the Mesa," which is one of the leading investment and partnering events in the regenerative medicine space.

Like everything else about this company, there seems to be a lot of conflicting information about their financial backing.

[JJacobs152]

Hi, JJ. I definitely agree that larger sample sizes are more accurate and can potentially improve capital procurement.

But with regard to Aderans, I'm confused about their sources of funding...

Aderans Research Institute is backed by Aderans, a large, multi-national corporation. Thus far, it appears as though they have been funded ONLY by Aderans - this makes sense because why would a hair company want to dilute their ownership of a potentially game-changing technology?

Having said that, Vern Liebmann was in an article recently that stated he attended various conferences for investment purposes. Also, Ken Washenik recently presented at "Stem Cell Meeting on the Mesa," which is one of the leading investment and partnering events in the regenerative medicine space.

Like everything else about this company, there seems to be a lot of conflicting information about their financial backing.

Yeah, that's understandable. I guess being this premature in the game, financial spread sheets probably don't mean much to potential investors, compared to the potential growth and demand for the product.

I mean, if I came to you to invest in my company, would you be more interested in my current bank roll of what I have to offer to society, how I'll be able to achieve those goals, etc etc. I guess if Aderans publicly posted these things, would be nice.

Lol, I guess we really shouldn't have to worry about their finances especially since they can go to the corner ATM and purchase Bosley for $163 million.

http://eon.businesswire.com/news/eon/20120716005438/en/hair-replacement/bosley/aderans

[Joker]

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/nov/03/making-case-for-stem-cell-treatment/?print&page=all

A VERY short (and poorly researched) article that talks about the Aderans presentation at Stem Cell Meeting on the Mesa.

The only interesting part is that apparently they are seeing the regeneration of dormant follicles, not necessarily the creation of entirely new follicles.

Pro:

Direction will not be an issue. The results will be very natural.

Con:

Creating new follicles has "unlimited" potential. Regenerating existing follicles is dependent on how many existing follicles can be brought back to life. We don't know if all follicles are able to be resurrected by this process or if some can never be turned back on. The answer to this question speaks to compoundability (or lack thereof).

Man, this company has me going crazy right now with all these tiny tidbits of contradictory information. De Novo growth or rejuvenation? Backed by Aderans or seeking outside investment? Phase 2 or Phase 3? Is the Phase 2 expansion a reflection of good results seeking optimization or poor results seeking massive improvements? Does it prevent further hair loss or only grow new hair? Is the 2014 timeline still valid? Will it be released only in the US or earlier in foreign jurisdictions? Etc, etc, etc, etc.