Aderans

[gmonasco]

I can't help thinking about the reports from a couple of people who contacted the Aderans clinical trial sites and were told that they were recruiting for phase III. I know that there was a lot of speculation over this but the more I think about it I can't get over the fact that there is no reason for those clinical test sites to lie.

It can take quite a while to set up a proper Phase III trial (which typically requires screening thousands of prospective participants), so you don't necessarily wait until Phase II is complete before you start the preparations for Phase III. In some cases, companies start the preparatory work for Phase III before they even know for sure that there is going to be a Phase III.

[hellouser]

Hey UK, I totally sympathize. I know I get really worked up over every small shred of hope that we're able to dig up. I know that I wasn't lying, and I'm confident that hellouser wasn't lying either. Still, I'd say the chance that the people on the phone made a mistake is pretty high. I say that because usually when it looks like we're about to get good news, we get the exact opposite.... and I can't bring myself to believe that Aderans is actually starting Phase 3. We unfortunately never get news like that in the hair loss industry...

Hopefully more people call and more people ask Spencer to help us get a concrete answer to stop all the speculation.

LOL, I really gotta laugh at the assumption that I was lying. As someone who's going through MPB, what would I have to gain if I lied about spreading optimism or repeating what I was told when I called Aderans directly?

This forum is full of paranoia.

[Joker]

Lol, hellouser. You know us balding guys are all paranoid!! We can't help it!!

Let's all just hope for some good news soon.

[hellouser]

Lol, hellouser. You know us balding guys are all paranoid!! We can't help it!!

Let's all just hope for some good news soon.

Well, noones stopping you guys from making the call to Aderans and talking to them yourselves. I called from Canada and spoke for about 10-15 minutes with a rep of some sort (don't remember now, but she sounded cute...).

Doesn't matter, from the info I was given and the info thats available online and them going into Phase III by around February, they seem to be right on track with their 2014 Q1 commercial product release date... this is of course if they don't hit any roadblocks over the next 1 - 1.5 years. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed and hoping they DO hit that timeline. In the meantime, I'm sticking to RU/Minox/Nizoral and gonna add Cetirizine to my regimen... hopefully I'm lucky and regrow my hairline and omit the need for a treatment with Gho.

[Joker]

Hellouser - I understand your opinion, just pointing out that I called TWICE!

[yeahyeahyeah]

Well, noones stopping you guys from making the call to Aderans and talking to them yourselves. I called from Canada and spoke for about 10-15 minutes with a rep of some sort (don't remember now, but she sounded cute...).

Doesn't matter, from the info I was given and the info thats available online and them going into Phase III by around February, they seem to be right on track with their 2014 Q1 commercial product release date... this is of course if they don't hit any roadblocks over the next 1 - 1.5 years. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed and hoping they DO hit that timeline. In the meantime, I'm sticking to RU/Minox/Nizoral and gonna add Cetirizine to my regimen... hopefully I'm lucky and regrow my hairline and omit the need for a treatment with Gho.

So phase 3 takes 12 months, whereas phase 2 takes 4+ years?

Does anyone else find this odd?

[The Alchemist]

So phase 3 takes 12 months, whereas phase 2 takes 4+ years?

Does anyone else find this odd?

Not really odd at all. Phase II can last for long periods of time because it's when they try to optimize their protocol. The may end up phase II testing many variations of one protocol, which can take a long time to finish. Phase III is when they give the final trial of the protocol they intend to release commercially.

[krewel]

So phase 3 takes 12 months, whereas phase 2 takes 4+ years?

Does anyone else find this odd?

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?p=78316#post78316

[Alf]

When you are callig and hearing about the screening are they saying anything about whan you can sign up?

[Breaking Bald]

Do you think there is a chance that they have something good but are keeping it back for the time being?

[Desmond84]

Do you think there is a chance that they have something good but are keeping it back for the time being?

Aderans definitely has something going on for sure. These guys wouldn't be still in the game if all their studies since 2007 didn't show POSITIVE results.

Their minimum expectations is to be able to do what Propecia can do which is pretty ground breaking on its own.

That would mean halting hair loss for all men with a single treatment! Histogen & Hair transplant docs will then fix up the damage caused by MPB (frontal loss) pre-Aderans.

[Desmond84]

Not only that sounds very heart warming, but they are also ahead of everyone else in the trials. They're 4 months off from completing Phase II for good, making their product launch feasible by early 2015.

We just need Dr. Washenik back on TBT to give us more info. I'm so glad Spencer brought it up this week and said he will try and record an interview with him and put it on the show like he did Dr Gho this week.

I mean as long as Dr. Washenik confirms that what they were hoping for back in 2010 (achieve results similar to Propecia) is happening at these trials, I will be extremely happy

Fingers crossed

[Joker]

Alf: When I call for screening, I generally don't get asked to sign up because I'm on Propecia and my balding pattern isn't what they are looking for. You need to be balding in the crown and have hair in the front. I'm diffuse from front to back. Usually when I call they still let me ask questions about the procedure and the company and stuff. I really, really wish more people would start calling - if not to sign up, at least to get more information.

BreakingBald: I really don't know, man. The optimist in me hopes "Maybe they've been silent because they know their next announcement is going to be big and they want to have all of their ducks in a row." But then the pessimist in me says "Realistically, they probably aren't saying anything because they have nothing to say. Phase 2 keeps being extended, and the company has never concretely said they are doing any further phases. Maybe they just aren't making real progress." Obviously I hope for the former but this industry has definitely taken it's toll on me over the years.

Desmond: Did Spencer really say he was going to get an interview with Washenik? (I didn't listen to the show.) Did he give a timeframe for when it might be? Did Washenik already agree? I have a feeling that the Aderans group that funds ARI will tell Washenik not to reveal too much information even if he does grant an interview...

[Alf]

Alf: When I call for screening, I generally don't get asked to sign up because I'm on Propecia and my balding pattern isn't what they are looking for. You need to be balding in the crown and have hair in the front. I'm diffuse from front to back. Usually when I call they still let me ask questions about the procedure and the company and stuff. I really, really wish more people would start calling - if not to sign up, at least to get more information.

Thanks, I would call, but I live in europe so it is expencive and my oral english is no good(and I'm too shy to speak). But something that I don't get is how only a few(one?) lab have started phase 3 screening, why wouldn't they start the screening in all the labs if they have to start screening now to get time to start the phase three i Q2 2013? I'm not on propecia and have diffuse from front to back too and if possible and I get the full package(not just 1 cm^2 I'm travelling to USA and sign up for phase 3. LOL

[Joker]

Hi Artista, I forgot to ask this before. You said you called the trial site and said it showed phase 2. Does that mean they told you it was a phase 2 study over the phone or you went by the listing on clinicaltrials.gov?