Aderans

[534623]

The same person who 2 years ago said Histogen would have closed down by now because WNT proteins would have no impact on scalp hair growth.

Is this another paraphrased and not proper rearranged sentence in English, picked up from - nowhere?

[Desmond84]

Desmond, I appreciate your help and your information, but did you mean to say their final clinical trial which commenced in June 2012 is targeted for completion at April 2013?

Oh yeah! Sorry dude! I meant from June 2012 - April 2013
Also, even though it is a 6 month trial it finishes in April for 2 reasons:
1) They need 2 extra months to multiply enough dermal cells in the lab
2) They were actually scheduled to finish in Feb 2013 but they didn't get enough participants which delayed the completion date.

Also, what is your source for this information? Did you email the company?

I've been analysing what they've been releasing on clinicaltrials.gov over the last 6 months. Here's the link if you wanna check it out:

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=ji+gami&Search=Search

The only issue on my mind is the efficacy and safety of the combination treatment (their chosen protocol), obviously from a safety perspective it should be fine as it wouldnt have made it this far. And as for efficacy, well it has to be higher than the 70% which they quoted way back in 2012, perhaps we're looking at around 80% - 90% this time. Time will tell, but we can positively speculate that Aderans have performed what they wanted, which is the development of a superior protocol to take into phase 3.

I totally agree. You wouldn't be getting funding for over 7 years and asking for more and more trials if you couldn't show some groundbreaking results

I personally think, their silence is partly due to their competition (Replicel, Histogen) trying to keep all their cards close to their chest. But they will definitely be releasing their final Phase 2 results sometime in April-May 2013.

[garethbale]

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Where are you from? Presumably English is not your first language?

[534623]

Where are you from?

From MalibuKaerntenBeach.

[JJacobs152]

Desmond, scrolled up to read your post. So things are looking good so far with Aderans? Thanks for keeping us updated with all the information!

[Desmond84]

Desmond, scrolled up to read your post. So things are looking good so far with Aderans? Thanks for keeping us updated with all the information!

Yeah dude,

They will FINALLY release their results for the FIRST-TIME EVER whether good or bad in April-May 2013.

We have not been told anything about what they've been seeing in a published study / news release ever since they started up their company back in 2002!

Dr. Washenik's presentation in June 2010 only focused on what they're aiming to achieve (response rates, hair counts, etc) NOT what they were seeing at that point in time <sigh>

I think after 11 years we deserve a truthful answer

[Joker]

Just another slight correction.

Washenik's presentation, and an Aderans press release from December 2010, did touch on the results of early iterations of Ji Gami. 50% of participants experienced improvements of 13 hairs/cm2 or better at 12 months.

We deserve a truthful answer, but I would refrain from getting your hopes up until we have something a little more concrete. Aderans stated that they would start releasing results "throughout 2011" and that obviously never happened. For that matter, they also said their method would be on the market in "late 2009/early 2010" in 2007. We can't reasonably expect anything more in 2013.

Let's just keep our fingers crossed and hope that this time things are different.

[Alf]

Yeah dude,

They will FINALLY release their results for the FIRST-TIME EVER whether good or bad in April-May 2013.

Where did you get the date?

[Desmond84]

Where did you get the date?

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=ji+gami&Search=Search

They only have one final 6 month trial to complete!

[Desmond84]

Just another slight correction.

Washenik's presentation, and an Aderans press release from December 2010, did touch on the results of early iterations of Ji Gami. 50% of participants experienced improvements of 13 hairs/cm2 or better at 12 months.

We deserve a truthful answer, but I would refrain from getting your hopes up until we have something a little more concrete. Aderans stated that they would start releasing results "throughout 2011" and that obviously never happened. For that matter, they also said their method would be on the market in "late 2009/early 2010" in 2007. We can't reasonably expect anything more in 2013.

Let's just keep our fingers crossed and hope that this time things are different.

Dude! Did they really say they will announce their results in 2011!!!!

Aderans is like the Soviet Union! No body really knows whats going on in there!!!

God let's hope I'm right

[Joker]

Yeah man, it's really frustrating. I just hope they have something decent and are on track to meet the goals they set in 2010. In January Spencer said that Aderans would put an update on the American Hair Loss Association blog and eventually grant an interview. Both of those things didn't happen. It definitely gets to you after awhile...

[Alf]

But they must have commercial product i they are screening for phase 3. On the other hand if I was Adeans and had good results from phase 2 I would show them to the world, then people would stand in line outside my research labs to participate in phase 3.

[Desmond84]

Touche!

10char

[hellouser]

But they must have commercial product i they are screening for phase 3. On the other hand if I was Adeans and had good results from phase 2 I would show them to the world, then people would stand in line outside my research labs to participate in phase 3.

I'm sure they've got plenty of willing participants from phase II willing to go further with Phase III trials again as well as a slew of new participants. I'm willing to bet all of my hair that at least half the members of the forum members here would take part but I wouldnt be surprised if it were damn near all of us.

Theyre not going to release exact details until the trials are over and theyre ready to work on the commercial product in the sense thats its going to see a specific release date.

I'm betting their investors aren't too keen on releasing any early details while things aren't 100% certain. Phase III is probably going to be perfecting their method so any claims they make now may or may not play well with whatever claims they make after phase III. I know I'd stay pretty quiet until I were 100% confident and 100% sure everything was going to run exactly as planned and no different.

[534623]

I'm betting their investors aren't too keen on releasing any early details while things aren't 100% certain. Phase III is probably going to be perfecting their method so any claims they make now may or may not play well with whatever claims they make after phase III. I know I'd stay pretty quiet until I were 100% confident and 100% sure everything was going to run exactly as planned and no different.

Does that mean that you would invest all your money in Aderans?
Or just 1 Cent ... ?