Final Days: Chinese Scientists Have Solved the DP Culturing Problem! (2014)

[ChemicalBrother]

could we like stop talking about Nigam for 8 weeks or something ?
this is really depressing ... and that's the last thing we need on this forums.
Let's talk about the positive steps that are taken by the Chinese, the thing that originated this thread ...

[baldingormature]

Not to be rude, but could you guys take this argument to PMs?

I came to this thread to read updates, but it's turned into sifting through tons of posts in which people are arguing about something completely irrelevant.

[Arashi]

* Now you're the one who's lying. Even Hairman, who doesn't want to agree with me about anything, called you out for lying about one case.

What case ? Nigam has 0 succesful cases. If you mean that case where he changed patients and you still are telling people that's it's the same guy, wow, then THAT is your proof ? A guy who totally changed facial features in his after photo ? Where moles suddenly move positions ? THAT is your one and only proof that Nigam actually can do something ? Haha. And even IF it WERE the same guy: how do you know he didnt just transplant the hairs ? There were no macro photo's at all for that specific case.

I have definitely seen before and after patients of cellular injection treatments by Dr. Nigam that show significant improvement in the after pics.

Yeah, just as with Pilox, right. Every time there's a scammer putting up a picture where he changed some aspect KNOWN to make hair look denser, like angle and lighting, some slightly longer hair and/or some concealer, you go "WOOOOW IT WORKS !!" And every single time it proved you were WRONG.

* As far as Nigam lying and cheating goes, you could put every hair transplant doctors name in the world on a wall and throw a dart at that wall and hit the name of a hair transplant doctor who has embellished, exaggerated, even lied. They're all doing it. That means it's industry standard and if one doctor doesn't do it then he will lose financially.

This point is just TOO stupid to even reply to. Name me one Doctor, not from India, who did similar things like Nigam did. Just one. ONE ! And in India I can only name 2: Nigam and his ex manager, dr Shere. They really deserve each other.

If we out-and-out reject the idea of going to Nigam if and when information surfaces that could truly cure hair loss if the doctor followed the script, then what is the alternative that you would have for us?

First of all, it's better to do NOTHING then to wire your money to someone who will NOT improve your situation, but possibily even detoriate it and will put your live in great danger. Secondly, there are thousands of doctors in India, and I'm sure 99% of them are way smarter than Nigam. Why would you want to go to a cheater a liar and a thief instead ? That makes 0 sense.

You call Nigam scammy but what about you? Not only have you lied when you said that Nigam has had zero successful cases, but you are also intentionally withholding the fact that if we out-and-out reject the idea of working with Nigam if new info comes out that really could work if we could get Nigam to follow the script then what you are telling us is that as things stand right now your recommendation is to accept that we should wait 6 - 8 years for the treatment to reach the mainstream markets? Why don't you just come out and say it?

I NEVER lied. That's one. And for the rest, see my point above.

* At least I have the guts to lay the truth out there.

No. You dont have any guts at all. Quite the contrary. If you had guts, you would go to Nigam yourself. Instead you come onto these forums to tell people how great Nigam is and you're hoping some desperate baldies will go to him so Nigam can perform his Frankenstein experiments on them. You hope that if he does enough of these Frankenstein experiments, one day he will find something and then YOU will go. You dont care AT ALL about the fact that Nigam puts their lives in great danger and that he steals their money by selling therapies he knows dont work at all. You just care about yourself. That's the opposite of having guts. Besides it's incredibly stupid to think Nigam is even capable of finding a cure. He's nothing but a scam artist and not exactly a smart one .

[cichlidfort]

How did Nigam get tied in this Chinese discovery? I thought Nigam was a fraud?

[Breaking Bald]

What's going on though? Is Nigam still working with Mwamba? Are we going to get any updates?

[Arashi]

What's going on though? Is Nigam still working with Mwamba? Are we going to get any updates?

From what I understood Nigam is not working with Mwamba anymore. Anyway please discuss Nigam elsewhere.

[Dazza]

Winston / Mods

Can you remove all "nigam" related posts from this thread.

It's now starting to derail the thread and is spiralling out of control. It also has absolutely nothing to do with the threads topic.

Thankyou.

[nameless]

If you don't understand the difference between being wanted by the police and solve a dispute in court, the discussion is pointless.

Yea I do understand. A criminal charge is even harder to prove so there is a greater likelihood that Nigam will beat any criminal charge against him than Hitzig would beat the civil charge against him and yet Hitzig did exactly that.

[nameless]

How did Nigam get tied in this Chinese discovery? I thought Nigam was a fraud?

The issue is how can we take advantage of these new discoveries that are coming now instead of waiting until they come to mainstream markets in 6 years or longer?

[Hicks]

Winston / Mods

Can you remove all "nigam" related posts from this thread.

It's now starting to derail the thread and is spiralling out of control. It also has absolutely nothing to do with the threads topic.

Thankyou.

+1

[Arashi]

Winston / Mods

Can you remove all "nigam" related posts from this thread.

It's now starting to derail the thread and is spiralling out of control. It also has absolutely nothing to do with the threads topic.

Thankyou.

+1. Let's keep this thread (and hopefully this whole forum) Nigam free.

[hellouser]

Winston / Mods

Can you remove all "nigam" related posts from this thread.

It's now starting to derail the thread and is spiralling out of control. It also has absolutely nothing to do with the threads topic.

Thankyou.

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[35YrsAfter]

What's going on though? Is Nigam still working with Mwamba? Are we going to get any updates?

Dr. Mwamba's technician came by our office a couple of weeks ago. I asked her about progress with Nigam. I didn't learn anything new. Patrick is a super guy and I think he will give everyone an update here before too long.

35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
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[garethbale]

Dr. Mwamba's technician came by our office a couple of weeks ago. I asked her about progress with Nigam. I didn't learn anything new. Patrick is a super guy and I think he will give everyone an update here before too long.

35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office
forhair.com
Cole Hair Transplant
1070 Powers Place
Alpharetta, Georgia 30009
Phone 678-566-1011
email 35YrsAfter at chuck@forhair.com
The contents of my posts are my opinions and not medical advice
Please feel free to call or email me with any questions. Ask for Chuck

Dr Mwamba said he was still working on this. Don't expect a speedy outcome though.

Dr Mwamba is a good guy, he'll let us know when he has anything.

[sdsurfin]

problems

The problem I still see with all this hair multpilication and DP culturing is that no one is yet sure what the surrounding scalp will do to these DP cell induced hairs, even if they do manage to induce completely correct hairs. I'm guessing that implanting just the DP spheroids will not be enough, because the cells around the DP cells will control the fate of the DP cells. For example, when a whole beard hair is implanted in scalp, it begins to turn into a normal scalp hair. Clearly, the surrounding sells are sending signals that changes the behavior of that whole follicle. I assume that the surrounding skin will also play a hug part in telling the implanted DP cells what to do. I think that until an entire follicle with surrounding tissue is engineered, we will not have hair. Producing a whole follicle has been successful in mice (tsuji), but so far no one has made a whole human follicle that is resistant to balding.

i think it'll take another ten years (jahoda started using DP cells in the early 2000s) before such follicles are even created (if we're lucky with the DP cell culture, which isn't yet perfected), and then they'll need to be tested and proven safe and lasting.