piloxll:new israeli method combines wounding+ zi/cu ions to destroy dht in the scalp

[Parsia]

Ok thats easy!! yoram is a nigamer until he can proof it isnt!! So everyody needs to think like that, we dont need more charlatas to take our money and hope. It will be released in 8 months right? so he is a charlatan right now and if it works i will be the first to shut up my mouth and give him great reviews everywhere cause it will be a kind of god for me, but now is just a nigamer.
If i google my name and see all that bad wors about me, i will not give up, instead i will work harder to shut up everybodys mouth

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Yeah your right ! If you believe in your work you will keep doing on it to shut their mouth! If someone found a great product for hairloss why he should give up for Some negative comments? It doesn't make sense and the time will show everything! Agree?

[NeedHairASAP]

Nobody offended the guy. He left cause he got confronted with that russian site, the fact that he sold snakeoil therapies in the past (accupuncture) and other difficult questions.

I think it would be a lot more helpful to yourselves and the forum if you spent more time researching the science behind Pilox, and less time trying to tie a bunch of ancillary information into a conspiracy theory-- one involving 6 years of preparation: the oceans 11 of snake oil schemes lol.

Just a thought.

[JJJJrS]

Thanks for your posts JJJJrS, I always enjoy reading them, you're by far one of the most intelligent posters here and you've alway been right. On the other hand, the people who bought into earlier scams are exactly the same people who are ALWAYS defending the new, unproven, techniques again when they come out, even when there's tons of stuff that doesn't add up, like with Pilox... These people are always agressive and insulting the critics. Furthermore, they have a proven trackrecord of being wrong, in fact, they've ALWAYS been wrong. How many scams have we seen in the last 4-5 year ? Probably around 6. How many things turned out to work ? Zero. The critics have ALWAYS been right in the end...

That of course doesn't mean it will always be like this. But man all the 'funny' stuff regarding the Pilox, all the stuff that doesn't add up at all... The similarities with Nigam are really striking again.

Appreciate it Arashi. There's a lot of desperate people out there, especially on the hair loss forums. I wouldn't pay too much attention to them. They may not realize it now, but you're doing them a favour.

The last thing the forums need is for everyone to give the con-artists, snake oil salesmen free reign. If you make big claims and have a financial interest, you should absolutely expect to be scrutinized. If I had a product that worked, I would welcome this. You'd hope that people would have learned a lesson after Nigam.

[JJJJrS]

2. i dont see wishful thinking in my post... I see scientific facts that should make a normal person curious. I also see pictures that should make a normal person curious.

What scientific facts? The guy's just jumping on the dermarolling fad here. There's no peer-reviewed papers or science involved in this. We don't even know what the mechanism behind all this is. So thanks for proving my point.

3. I'm a little confused as to what you guys want yoram to provide you right this second.....he has pictures, third-party science behind it, he's releasing it within 8 months.... i mean...what do you want? is he suppose to give you his blueprints 6 months before the launch? and if he doesn't he's a fraud?

No, he has some nice pictures that were photocopied from a hair dresser, and that's it. We have no independent verification. No idea if these people were on medication - and that makes a big difference, see even better pictures on this link) from people on fin and minox. No idea if the before and afters were switched. There's a a lot of ways a photo can be manipulated and it doesn't necessarily have to involve photoshop.

4. You guys have literally nothing to point at... you think it's weird that the book got leaked and you think it's weird he is on a russian site.... otherwise, he has some of the best quality pictures we've ever seen and some extremely interesting science behind the idea.

Again, the guy was selling acupuncture as a hairloss cure for ****'s sake. He has a less than stellar reputation in the countries he works in. Basically a snake oil salesman who's been in the hair loss game for a while.

If he has a product that works, we will know, make no mistake about that. But let's be serious here for a second, what are the chances that this guy is going to have the cure or even a better treatment? It's another Nigam story and this time, people should be much more careful before throwing away their money to questionable people.

[Arashi]

Nobody is defensive. They just didn't want you all offending the guy so that he'd disappear... which is exactly what happened.

Nobody offended the guy. He left cause he got confronted with that russian site, the fact that he sold snakeoil therapies in the past (accupuncture) and other difficult questions.

[NeedHairASAP]

Thinking about it Arashi, I think we should step off the Pilox debate for a while, maybe a month or two

I have to admit I made a mistake bringing up the Russian site
I just did it because Yoram was bringing up the dermapen stuff, but it was a mistake, I did it too soon. Just as I brought it up again he stopped giving information and has tried to separate himself from the Russian site, deleting his information there

Pretty sure if I waited a couple of weeks he would have spilled more information and gotten himself in more trouble

I've made some searches in Russian and Hebrew and have found some interesting stuff about him and his colleagues, but with the situation going on, people would just dismiss it immediately

Just stay away from the discussion and see if you can find more about him and let's just use it when people start to lower their defenses

Nobody is defensive. They just didn't want you all offending the guy so that he'd disappear... which is exactly what happened.

[cotto]

Ok thats easy!! yoram is a nigamer until he can proof it isnt!! So everyody needs to think like that, we dont need more charlatas to take our money and hope. It will be released in 8 months right? so he is a charlatan right now and if it works i will be the first to shut up my mouth and give him great reviews everywhere cause it will be a kind of god for me, but now is just a nigamer.
If i google my name and see all that bad wors about me, i will not give up, instead i will work harder to shut up everybodys mouth

[bigentries]

Thanks for your posts JJJJrS, I always enjoy reading them, you're by far one of the most intelligent posters here and you've alway been right. On the other hand, the people who bought into earlier scams are exactly the same people who are ALWAYS defending the new, unproven, techniques again when they come out, even when there's tons of stuff that doesn't add up, like with Pilox... These people are always agressive and insulting the critics. Furthermore, they have a proven trackrecord of being wrong, in fact, they've ALWAYS been wrong. How many scams have we seen in the last 4-5 year ? Probably around 6. How many things turned out to work ? Zero. The critics have ALWAYS been right in the end...

That of course doesn't mean it will always be like this. But man all the 'funny' stuff regarding the Pilox, all the stuff that doesn't add up at all... The similarities with Nigam are really striking again.

Thinking about it Arashi, I think we should step off the Pilox debate for a while, maybe a month or two

I have to admit I made a mistake bringing up the Russian site
I just did it because Yoram was bringing up the dermapen stuff, but it was a mistake, I did it too soon. Just as I brought it up again he stopped giving information and has tried to separate himself from the Russian site, deleting his information there

Pretty sure if I waited a couple of weeks he would have spilled more information and gotten himself in more trouble

I've made some searches in Russian and Hebrew and have found some interesting stuff about him and his colleagues, but with the situation going on, people would just dismiss it immediately

Just stay away from the discussion and see if you can find more about him and let's just use it when people start to lower their defenses

[deuce]

How about everyone just shut up until we find out if this is real or fake. I say 80% chance its fake. But who really knows. If it is fake these asshole loser salesman and scientist need to really be taught a lesson. But how do people keep falling for these products again and again. We need better treatments. Who knows this could be one. I doubt it, but I really do not know so lets quit speculating. Does anyone know the forum members who are trialing this out?

[Arashi]

C'mon man. All your posts are emotional and based on wishful thinking.

A year or two ago it was all about Gho. You were convinced that HST was the cure, the solution, even ended up spending thousands of dollars on a procedure. How did that work out by the way? Seems you've already jumped ship to something else...

That's the problem with the hair loss forums - the people are so desperate, they'll throw away all logic for the faint hope that this new, hot treatment might be the cure. And snake oil salesmen pray on that. People like needhairasap are sitting fish waiting to be reeled in.

Bigentries described this Yoram guy well:

... and yet somehow, people on here think this guy might have the cure Isn't it obvious that he's just jumping on the dermaroller bandwagon and using the forums to market it with his partner vraf?

Thanks for your posts JJJJrS, I always enjoy reading them, you're by far one of the most intelligent posters here and you've alway been right. On the other hand, the people who bought into earlier scams are exactly the same people who are ALWAYS defending the new, unproven, techniques again when they come out, even when there's tons of stuff that doesn't add up, like with Pilox... These people are always agressive and insulting the critics. Furthermore, they have a proven trackrecord of being wrong, in fact, they've ALWAYS been wrong. How many scams have we seen in the last 4-5 year ? Probably around 6. How many things turned out to work ? Zero. The critics have ALWAYS been right in the end...

That of course doesn't mean it will always be like this. But man all the 'funny' stuff regarding the Pilox, all the stuff that doesn't add up at all... The similarities with Nigam are really striking again.

[NeedHairASAP]

C'mon man. All your posts are emotional and based on wishful thinking.

A year or two ago it was all about Gho. You were convinced that HST was the cure, the solution, even ended up spending thousands of dollars on a procedure. How did that work out by the way? Seems you've already jumped ship to something else...

That's the problem with the hair loss forums - the people are so desperate, they'll throw away all logic for the faint hope that this new, hot treatment might be the cure. And snake oil salesmen pray on that. People like needhairasap are sitting fish waiting to be reeled in.

Bigentries described this Yoram guy well:


... and yet somehow, people on here think this guy might have the cure Isn't it obvious that he's just jumping on the dermaroller bandwagon and using the forums to market it with his partner vraf?

1. Im still about Gho but I'd gladly pass on another 10k HST for $500 pilox.

2. i dont see wishful thinking in my post... I see scientific facts that should make a normal person curious. I also see pictures that should make a normal person curious.

3. I'm a little confused as to what you guys want yoram to provide you right this second.....he has pictures, third-party science behind it, he's releasing it within 8 months.... i mean...what do you want? is he suppose to give you his blueprints 6 months before the launch? and if he doesn't he's a fraud?

4. You guys have literally nothing to point at... you think it's weird that the book got leaked and you think it's weird he is on a russian site.... otherwise, he has some of the best quality pictures we've ever seen and some extremely interesting science behind the idea.

[NeedHairASAP]

I bet you will not reply to this, I don't know why I take my time...

hmm.... i'm rethinking pilox completely now. Thanks for posting.

[bigentries]

I would not call the russian site "evidence"... nor would I say me or anyone else "dismissed" it.

I bet you will not reply to this, I don't know why I take my time...

You seem to be both delusional and have extreme shite reading comprehension skills.

I never had emotional attachment to dermarolling. To put salt on your wound, I've been dermarolling since August with marginal or no results at all so far. If you saw any of my replies recently over at ***, you would have noticed that I was OPEN to criticisms of dermarolling if only to iron out all the details and/or improve or prove efficacy. So there goes your ridiculous argument.... right out the window.

In regards to you AGAIN feeding people bullshit about me lying about the Russian site, lol.. my god, you clearly are a child. I never lied about anything because I havent looked at the russian site... I've dismissed it as irrelevant and have never made comments nor have any to make now other than what my previous statement that its separate from PiloxII (this is whats been said in the private forums). You're coming after me when I'm merely repeating what others have said as if my word is scripture.

Just out of curiousity... what is your IQ level?

IQ under 90? Probably.

I dismissed the Russian site because:

1) I dont care for things outside of PiloxII and am going by what others have said that the two being unrelated.

2) I'm not sure if I saw the right site, but remember seeing something that looked like was designed in the 90s and spent less than 15 seconds on it.

3) I do remember seeing a site with mangled characters and dismissed that early too.

[TwoInchCircle]

1. ionos-whatever doesn't go systemic, and penetrates the best

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S01 ... ci_arttext

Transdermal iontophoresis (TDI) is a non-invasive technique that uses a lower electric current potential than five volts, with current intensities oscillating between 0.1 and 1 mA/cm2. It has the purpose to facilitate the transfer of ions and substances through the corneal layer of the skin in a controlled fashion.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the same way Cosmo got CB into peoples scalps when they got those amazing results? Forgive my ignorance, but then is it possible to put CB in this device and deliver it right to the follicle and to hell with finding a working vehicle? Or is a vehicle still needed?

[JJJJrS]

OMG, guys.... please listen.... for the last time:

PILOX AND THE DERMAPEN FOUND ON THE RUSSIAN WEBSITE ARE NOT RELATED WHAT SO EVER

the dermapen is NOT an earlier version of pilox. It's a separate treatment. Yoram has explained it has something to do with one of his students, and im venturing a guess that he doesn't want to pit Pilox vs. this other guys business. Maybe he has a stake in it too. This last bit is a complete guess by me, but what is a fact is: PILOX IS NOT THE PRODUCT FROM THE RUSSIAN SITE

how many times does this need to be said?


Pilox has not needles, at all. It uses ionos-something to shoot zinc ions, copper ions, and maybe something else (we don't know)... below is some info on zinc ions, copper ions, and ionos-whatever in detail....

EVERYONE, PLEASE STOP RAMBLING WITHOUT READING THE THREAD

and stop insinuating the creator is a fraud... we have zero reason to believe that. At this point, the science looks reasonable maybe, the pictures look great--- that is all we have. The hair dresser story is different, but not completely unbelievable. The russian site is kind of weird, but has been explained pretty reasonably--- and to somebody who has been following this discussion-- can be easily seen that it is completely unrelated to pilox.


So, considering the above + the pics we've seen, the evidence is on yoram's side as far as I'm concerned....the jury is not out but it's worth further inspection...WITHOUT CONSTANTLY INSINUATING HE'S A FRAUD OR THAT "YOU HAVE A BAD FEELING" , etc etc

newsflash: Nobody cares about your feelings. We want facts.

C'mon man. All your posts are emotional and based on wishful thinking.

A year or two ago it was all about Gho. You were convinced that HST was the cure, the solution, even ended up spending thousands of dollars on a procedure. How did that work out by the way? Seems you've already jumped ship to something else...

That's the problem with the hair loss forums - the people are so desperate, they'll throw away all logic for the faint hope that this new, hot treatment might be the cure. And snake oil salesmen pray on that. People like needhairasap are sitting fish waiting to be reeled in.

Bigentries described this Yoram guy well:

You don't worry at all that he is connected to the russian site? Or that he used to prescribe accupuncture in his clinic to treat hair loss?

... and yet somehow, people on here think this guy might have the cure Isn't it obvious that he's just jumping on the dermaroller bandwagon and using the forums to market it with his partner vraf?