piloxll:new israeli method combines wounding+ zi/cu ions to destroy dht in the scalp

[Arashi]

C'mon man. All your posts are emotional and based on wishful thinking.

A year or two ago it was all about Gho. You were convinced that HST was the cure, the solution, even ended up spending thousands of dollars on a procedure. How did that work out by the way? Seems you've already jumped ship to something else...

That's the problem with the hair loss forums - the people are so desperate, they'll throw away all logic for the faint hope that this new, hot treatment might be the cure. And snake oil salesmen pray on that. People like needhairasap are sitting fish waiting to be reeled in.

Bigentries described this Yoram guy well:

... and yet somehow, people on here think this guy might have the cure Isn't it obvious that he's just jumping on the dermaroller bandwagon and using the forums to market it with his partner vraf?

Thanks for your posts JJJJrS, I always enjoy reading them, you're by far one of the most intelligent posters here and you've alway been right. On the other hand, the people who bought into earlier scams are exactly the same people who are ALWAYS defending the new, unproven, techniques again when they come out, even when there's tons of stuff that doesn't add up, like with Pilox... These people are always agressive and insulting the critics. Furthermore, they have a proven trackrecord of being wrong, in fact, they've ALWAYS been wrong. How many scams have we seen in the last 4-5 year ? Probably around 6. How many things turned out to work ? Zero. The critics have ALWAYS been right in the end...

That of course doesn't mean it will always be like this. But man all the 'funny' stuff regarding the Pilox, all the stuff that doesn't add up at all... The similarities with Nigam are really striking again.

[deuce]

How about everyone just shut up until we find out if this is real or fake. I say 80% chance its fake. But who really knows. If it is fake these asshole loser salesman and scientist need to really be taught a lesson. But how do people keep falling for these products again and again. We need better treatments. Who knows this could be one. I doubt it, but I really do not know so lets quit speculating. Does anyone know the forum members who are trialing this out?

[bigentries]

Thanks for your posts JJJJrS, I always enjoy reading them, you're by far one of the most intelligent posters here and you've alway been right. On the other hand, the people who bought into earlier scams are exactly the same people who are ALWAYS defending the new, unproven, techniques again when they come out, even when there's tons of stuff that doesn't add up, like with Pilox... These people are always agressive and insulting the critics. Furthermore, they have a proven trackrecord of being wrong, in fact, they've ALWAYS been wrong. How many scams have we seen in the last 4-5 year ? Probably around 6. How many things turned out to work ? Zero. The critics have ALWAYS been right in the end...

That of course doesn't mean it will always be like this. But man all the 'funny' stuff regarding the Pilox, all the stuff that doesn't add up at all... The similarities with Nigam are really striking again.

Thinking about it Arashi, I think we should step off the Pilox debate for a while, maybe a month or two

I have to admit I made a mistake bringing up the Russian site
I just did it because Yoram was bringing up the dermapen stuff, but it was a mistake, I did it too soon. Just as I brought it up again he stopped giving information and has tried to separate himself from the Russian site, deleting his information there

Pretty sure if I waited a couple of weeks he would have spilled more information and gotten himself in more trouble

I've made some searches in Russian and Hebrew and have found some interesting stuff about him and his colleagues, but with the situation going on, people would just dismiss it immediately

Just stay away from the discussion and see if you can find more about him and let's just use it when people start to lower their defenses

[cotto]

Ok thats easy!! yoram is a nigamer until he can proof it isnt!! So everyody needs to think like that, we dont need more charlatas to take our money and hope. It will be released in 8 months right? so he is a charlatan right now and if it works i will be the first to shut up my mouth and give him great reviews everywhere cause it will be a kind of god for me, but now is just a nigamer.
If i google my name and see all that bad wors about me, i will not give up, instead i will work harder to shut up everybodys mouth

[NeedHairASAP]

Thinking about it Arashi, I think we should step off the Pilox debate for a while, maybe a month or two

I have to admit I made a mistake bringing up the Russian site
I just did it because Yoram was bringing up the dermapen stuff, but it was a mistake, I did it too soon. Just as I brought it up again he stopped giving information and has tried to separate himself from the Russian site, deleting his information there

Pretty sure if I waited a couple of weeks he would have spilled more information and gotten himself in more trouble

I've made some searches in Russian and Hebrew and have found some interesting stuff about him and his colleagues, but with the situation going on, people would just dismiss it immediately

Just stay away from the discussion and see if you can find more about him and let's just use it when people start to lower their defenses

Nobody is defensive. They just didn't want you all offending the guy so that he'd disappear... which is exactly what happened.

[Arashi]

Nobody is defensive. They just didn't want you all offending the guy so that he'd disappear... which is exactly what happened.

Nobody offended the guy. He left cause he got confronted with that russian site, the fact that he sold snakeoil therapies in the past (accupuncture) and other difficult questions.

[JJJJrS]

2. i dont see wishful thinking in my post... I see scientific facts that should make a normal person curious. I also see pictures that should make a normal person curious.

What scientific facts? The guy's just jumping on the dermarolling fad here. There's no peer-reviewed papers or science involved in this. We don't even know what the mechanism behind all this is. So thanks for proving my point.

3. I'm a little confused as to what you guys want yoram to provide you right this second.....he has pictures, third-party science behind it, he's releasing it within 8 months.... i mean...what do you want? is he suppose to give you his blueprints 6 months before the launch? and if he doesn't he's a fraud?

No, he has some nice pictures that were photocopied from a hair dresser, and that's it. We have no independent verification. No idea if these people were on medication - and that makes a big difference, see even better pictures on this link) from people on fin and minox. No idea if the before and afters were switched. There's a a lot of ways a photo can be manipulated and it doesn't necessarily have to involve photoshop.

4. You guys have literally nothing to point at... you think it's weird that the book got leaked and you think it's weird he is on a russian site.... otherwise, he has some of the best quality pictures we've ever seen and some extremely interesting science behind the idea.

Again, the guy was selling acupuncture as a hairloss cure for ****'s sake. He has a less than stellar reputation in the countries he works in. Basically a snake oil salesman who's been in the hair loss game for a while.

If he has a product that works, we will know, make no mistake about that. But let's be serious here for a second, what are the chances that this guy is going to have the cure or even a better treatment? It's another Nigam story and this time, people should be much more careful before throwing away their money to questionable people.

[JJJJrS]

Thanks for your posts JJJJrS, I always enjoy reading them, you're by far one of the most intelligent posters here and you've alway been right. On the other hand, the people who bought into earlier scams are exactly the same people who are ALWAYS defending the new, unproven, techniques again when they come out, even when there's tons of stuff that doesn't add up, like with Pilox... These people are always agressive and insulting the critics. Furthermore, they have a proven trackrecord of being wrong, in fact, they've ALWAYS been wrong. How many scams have we seen in the last 4-5 year ? Probably around 6. How many things turned out to work ? Zero. The critics have ALWAYS been right in the end...

That of course doesn't mean it will always be like this. But man all the 'funny' stuff regarding the Pilox, all the stuff that doesn't add up at all... The similarities with Nigam are really striking again.

Appreciate it Arashi. There's a lot of desperate people out there, especially on the hair loss forums. I wouldn't pay too much attention to them. They may not realize it now, but you're doing them a favour.

The last thing the forums need is for everyone to give the con-artists, snake oil salesmen free reign. If you make big claims and have a financial interest, you should absolutely expect to be scrutinized. If I had a product that worked, I would welcome this. You'd hope that people would have learned a lesson after Nigam.

[NeedHairASAP]

Nobody offended the guy. He left cause he got confronted with that russian site, the fact that he sold snakeoil therapies in the past (accupuncture) and other difficult questions.

I think it would be a lot more helpful to yourselves and the forum if you spent more time researching the science behind Pilox, and less time trying to tie a bunch of ancillary information into a conspiracy theory-- one involving 6 years of preparation: the oceans 11 of snake oil schemes lol.

Just a thought.

[Parsia]

Ok thats easy!! yoram is a nigamer until he can proof it isnt!! So everyody needs to think like that, we dont need more charlatas to take our money and hope. It will be released in 8 months right? so he is a charlatan right now and if it works i will be the first to shut up my mouth and give him great reviews everywhere cause it will be a kind of god for me, but now is just a nigamer.
If i google my name and see all that bad wors about me, i will not give up, instead i will work harder to shut up everybodys mouth

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Yeah your right ! If you believe in your work you will keep doing on it to shut their mouth! If someone found a great product for hairloss why he should give up for Some negative comments? It doesn't make sense and the time will show everything! Agree?

[NeedHairASAP]

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Yeah your right ! If you believe in your work you will keep doing on it to shut their mouth! If someone found a great product for hairloss why he should give up for Some negative comments? It doesn't make sense and the time will show everything! Agree?

I don't think it helps anyone to speculate on the fact he decided to not come to the forums.

It's just as likely that somebody who has a great product would be like, "forget these guys, I was trying to be nice, they'll have no choice but to be customers one day, as my product is great"

I don't know if what you suggest is correct, or if what I suggest is correct. It's a toss up and we have no way to know, so why speculate on this?

RATHER, LETS DIG UP SOME MORE ON THE SCIENCE-- much more helpful than piecing together conspiracy theories off little to nothing.

[Thinning@30]

I'm not sure what to make of Yoram's decision to withdraw from the other site. I was interested in learning more about Pilox. I'm aware of the shady stuff with the Russian site, but if real, the pictures were way better than anything else I've seen, and there does seem to be some solid science behind the transdermal iontophoresis of copper and zinc for hair loss. It's not like Yoram was constantly switching protocols like Nigam, and he wasn't even selling anything yet. There was some talk about publishing a paper, so I am willing to entertain the notion that proof is pending. At the same time, researchers who choose to engage the hair loss community should not expect a fawning and unskeptical audience. In this field anything that isn't backed up by clinical trials or published peer-reviewed research is highly suspect.

[Parsia]

I don't think it helps anyone to speculate on the fact he decided to not come to the forums.

It's just as likely that somebody who has a great product would be like, "forget these guys, I was trying to be nice, they'll have no choice but to be customers one day, as my product is great"

I don't know if what you suggest is correct, or if what I suggest is correct. It's a toss up and we have no way to know, so why speculate on this?

RATHER, LETS DIG UP SOME MORE ON THE SCIENCE-- much more helpful than piecing together conspiracy theories off little to nothing.

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I don't know he reading these posts are not but even he read that so far, If we consider he is a legit guy he didn't spend many years of his life to research about a product and then give up Because around 50-100 persons on the forum think it is scam ! I really do not believe that ! If he really works on something which is REAL we definitely hear about that ! If the pics are real ( which I think they are) , the product would be work and those people with negative opinion have not anything to say ! SO I do not see any reason for him to be discourage when he will notice some negative opinion for the product which has not released yet ! That's all !

[lilpauly]

I think it's legit , I will be usi g the device for cb as well , 2 of my friends are using this device , I have faith!!!!!!

[Parsia]

I think it's legit , I will be usi g the device for cb as well , 2 of my friends are using this device , I have faith!!!!!!

2 of your friend is in israel? Am I right? would you please give me more information dude?