piloxll:new israeli method combines wounding+ zi/cu ions to destroy dht in the scalp

[lilpauly]

I think if could people report Their results like vraf it would be helpful , elevation is no longer using the device which really sucks , and has been silient as well. Yoram needs to give us more information so people will stop assuming.

[NeedHairASAP]

I never once saw you complain about overly positive posts. Actually, people like you were hyping this scam like it was the cure for hairloss. Posts like that are far worse then showing skepticism and exposing inconsistencies like Arashi did.

In the end, this is a forum and not everyone is naive and gullible enough to get excited about a snake oil. You and the piloxll supporters are going to have to tolerate the skepticism instead of whining like you did to roger_that at hs.

If you have financial ties to a product/treatment like Nigam and Yoram/vraf do, you better expect to be heavily scrutinized. Maybe if people were more vocal against Nigam, there wouldn't have been as many people conned as there were...

I can't tell if you're kidding or if your reading comprehension is that bad.


I said that posting criticism/evidence, like arashi did, is good. It's the baseless posts that are a waste of time.... not being skeptical. Are you following me yet?

[NeedHairASAP]

I never once saw you complain about overly positive posts. Actually, people like you were hyping this scam like it was the cure for hairloss. Posts like that are far worse then showing skepticism and exposing inconsistencies like Arashi did.

In the end, this is a forum and not everyone is naive and gullible enough to get excited about a snake oil. You and the piloxll supporters are going to have to tolerate the skepticism instead of whining like you did to roger_that at hs.

If you have financial ties to a product/treatment like Nigam and Yoram/vraf do, you better expect to be heavily scrutinized. Maybe if people were more vocal against Nigam, there wouldn't have been as many people conned as there were...

1. I'm not a supporter of pilox. I'm a supporter of waiting til we have more conclusive evidence about pilox. I don't get off at the thought of being "the guy who called it a scam first"

2. Yoram isn't charging anyone in trials, and spending 1000+ on each prototype.... not sure how you can compare this to nigam charging, essentially, full price....

3. All I can say is that I don't think vraf is involved, in my opinion. That portion of your theory doesn't add up at all. Is pilox legit? Only time will tell.

4. At this point, you have some websites to point to as your "evidence"... that's about it. Is it worrying? Yes. Is it damning? Not in my opinion.

5. You're not saving anybody from anything... we're all grown ups here.

[JJJJrS]

lol guys R E L A X

If you're not interested in Pilox anymore, then leave the thread! Let the people interested in seeing how it plays out do so....

Posting stuff like the leech finding is good, but theres no need to comment uselessly on it over and over and over and over

I never once saw you complain about overly positive posts. Actually, people like you were hyping this scam like it was the cure for hairloss. Posts like that are far worse then showing skepticism and exposing inconsistencies like Arashi did.

In the end, this is a forum and not everyone is naive and gullible enough to get excited about a snake oil. You and the piloxll supporters are going to have to tolerate the skepticism instead of whining like you did to roger_that at hs.

If you have financial ties to a product/treatment like Nigam and Yoram/vraf do, you better expect to be heavily scrutinized. Maybe if people were more vocal against Nigam, there wouldn't have been as many people conned as there were...

[NeedHairASAP]

I think it is fair to point it out because, let's admit it, without the skeptics Yoram would still be pushing his agenda unopposed. I never saw you, hellouser, or other proponents ever made the least effort to analyze the evidence, or even question, you just gave the guy a free pass

You don't want people to comment on the conflicts over and over again, but did you had a problem when the majority of the thread was supporting Pilox over and over?

I think we should collect the quotes where everyone was saying "this is real" and "the photos are not fake" or "I dismiss the russian site" as a warning for people to not repeat their naive optimism again. With the state of HM basically doomed for the next couple of year, cases like this are going to rise from time to time

Again, R E L A X dude

I said it was cool to add to the conversation/analysis by posting opposing or confirming evidence (such as the russian site you posted and the scientific peer-reviewed articles I posted that detailed zinc, copper and ionostpoherinismz)... doing this is good. It's the useless "OK THIS IS A SCAM", "OH OKAY THIS IS LEGIT" "ITS A SCAM" "ITS THE REAL THING" "I BELIVE THIS IS A SCAM".... its these posts that just clog the thread and add nothing to it... I get its human nature for people to share their opinions but it doesn't help much...


also, i feel like most of the people you are calling "naively optimistic" are just saying they want to see how it plays out... which makes them "skeptical but curious" not "naively optimistic"



and I'll be honest, things don't add up for this thing being real. BUT they also don't add up for some of the theories you and arashi propose (that vraf is involved, its a scam, etc.)

There is evidence both ways.. and Yoram isn't charging, and seems to have gone through multiple iterations of his product....so lets just see how it plays out. I agree some evidence you posted is sketchy, but some evidence other's posted is promising.... it just seems too early to call it a scam... it doesn't help anybody to call it before we know for sure.

[hellouser]

Oh yeah, it's cool to see you change your mind, but I mean, most people are already considering Pilox isn't legit, you didn't helped at all when it wasn't the popular opinion.

You could have read the russian site back then, but you didn't
You could have analyzed the pics before everyone started doing it, but for some reason you didn't

I think you should read all your comments in this thread from the beginning and see why you did more damage with your naive optimism

LOL @ you, I never had optimism or pessimism. Until it's proven to work, I have nothing to be excited about.

Quit trolling.

[bigentries]

Another idiotic reply by you, it's a recurring theme.

In the private forum, RIGHT AFTER one of your comments I clearly stated that Vraf's before and after photos DO NOT MATCH when I examined the pictures by overlaying them in photoshop.

What the hell is wrong with you?

Oh yeah, it's cool to see you change your mind, but I mean, most people are already considering Pilox isn't legit, you didn't helped at all when it wasn't the popular opinion.

You could have read the russian site back then, but you didn't
You could have analyzed the pics before everyone started doing it, but for some reason you didn't

I think you should read all your comments in this thread from the beginning and see why you did more damage with your naive optimism

[bigentries]

lol guys R E L A X

If you're not interested in Pilox anymore, then leave the thread! Let the people interested in seeing how it plays out do so....

Posting stuff like the leech finding is good, but theres no need to comment uselessly on it over and over and over and over

I think it is fair to point it out because, let's admit it, without the skeptics Yoram would still be pushing his agenda unopposed. I never saw you, hellouser, or other proponents ever made the least effort to analyze the evidence, or even question, you just gave the guy a free pass

You don't want people to comment on the conflicts over and over again, but did you had a problem when the majority of the thread was supporting Pilox over and over?

I think we should collect the quotes where everyone was saying "this is real" and "the photos are not fake" or "I dismiss the russian site" as a warning for people to not repeat their naive optimism again. With the state of HM basically doomed for the next couple of year, cases like this are going to rise from time to time

[NeedHairASAP]

WOW. Just ... WOW ...

needhairASAP is probably happy though ? Next to massaging his feet, sticking needles in his ears and using pilox, his great master Yoram has now even given him another great way of getting his hair back

lol guys R E L A X

If you're not interested in Pilox anymore, then leave the thread! Let the people interested in seeing how it plays out do so....

Posting stuff like the leech finding is good, but theres no need to comment uselessly on it over and over and over and over

[bigentries]

Just for the record, medical leeches (and maggots) have their utility in mainstream medicine

[Pentarou]

So they should delete this thread then?

Why? There's lots of threads in this forum section about total and complete bollocks (dermarolling, TRX2, Keratene, Nigam, etc) that aren't deleted. Let the thread remain as a warning to all.

[thechamp]

I'm now fully in the "this is bollocks" camp. At least this has been exposed fairly quickly.

So they should delete this thread then?

[Pentarou]

I'm now fully in the "this is bollocks" camp. At least this has been exposed fairly quickly.

[bananana]

I'll still give it time and see. I think this forum is such a rollercoaster, first we're all hyped up and opening moet, next day we're all arashi etc...

This aint working. We'll see when it comes out, if 5 people dont experience any regrowth in 4-5 months - it doesnt work, case closed. Period.
I'm up for it.


Until then...

http://mashable.com/2014/01/27/boston-synthetic-organs/

[thechamp]

So this is another scam anything we get excited about turns in to a scam !