So how close are we to a new 'cure'

[KO1]

Whats the point of asking? You shouldnt be defending Finasteride at all, the stuff is 20 years old and is known to give serious sexual side effects. More importantly, its TWENTY years old, you should be making more of a push for stem cell treatment or some kind of hair multiplication process instead of backing finasteride.

The reason I am asking is because he decided to be a sanctimonious t***t and lecture us on "knowing how the human body works", so let's see his response. I am defending finasteride because it is a great drug that every man who has MPB should consider and rarely gives serious sexual side effects. Even if it is TWENTY years old, it is still enough for many.

And how exactly am I going to make a "push" for hair multiplication? Kidnap Lauster?

[hellouser]

You still have not answered my question, and stop changing the subject. Since you know so much about "DHT and how the body works", why do most people not suffer these sides from high levels of DHT suppression?

Enlighten me.

Whats the point of asking? You shouldnt be defending Finasteride at all, the stuff is 20 years old and is known to give serious sexual side effects. More importantly, its TWENTY years old, you should be making more of a push for stem cell treatment or some kind of hair multiplication process instead of backing finasteride.

[KO1]

Sorry I was busy having a life. Why are there lawsuits against the drug? Why have there been suicides because of the drug? Why has there been plenty of reported cases of depression and sexual dysfunction because of the drug? Your glass holds no water. It's a risk. Works for many guys but for some it doesn't. Now grow up and let it go.

You still have not answered my question, and stop changing the subject. Since you know so much about "DHT and how the body works", why do most people not suffer these sides from high levels of DHT suppression?

Enlighten me.

[cichlidfort]

cichlidfort, you there?

I want to get your answer for this:
http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpos...&postcount=150

Sorry I was busy having a life. Why are there lawsuits against the drug? Why have there been suicides because of the drug? Why has there been plenty of reported cases of depression and sexual dysfunction because of the drug? Your glass holds no water. It's a risk. Works for many guys but for some it doesn't. Now grow up and let it go.

[KO1]

cichlidfort, you there?

I want to get your answer for this:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=136143&postcount=150

[reckless]

Every man should be made aware of fin. Then they can decide whether or not they want to take it after researching the potential side effects.

I wish I knew about it when I was 22.

[KO1]

You two are a bunch of ignorant clowns. I won't even bother picking your arguments apart. Let the MAIN topic continue.

Why don't you answer my question? Since you know so much about DHT and how the human body works.

Why do the vast majority of men not suffer sides if DHT is so crucial to sex drive?

[SOTF]

Everyone is different on the drug and who is to say you won't get some sort of major side effect down the road when you're in your 50s? I just read a story that a guy was on propecia for 8 years and then boom, mental fog, depression, anxiety and even after stopping for a year, symptoms didn't go away. What's even worse, the doctor couldn't even properly diagnose the guy. There isn't enough research on the drug long term to know all the possible side effects and how they might pop up later when aging really takes it's toll on our bodies. You are taking a risk by messing with your hormones. HOPEFULLY, hair loss sufferers won't have to be on this drug for more than 5 years.

There are human beings void of type II AR from birth that live fruitful, productive lives with fantastic hair. That is a bit longer than five years. Again, there is plenty of research on the drug. Your head is in the sand.

[cichlidfort]

Yes, we are the clowns. Of course you won't bother picking apart our arguments.

Everyone is different on the drug and who is to say you won't get some sort of major side effect down the road when you're in your 50s? I just read a story that a guy was on propecia for 8 years and then boom, mental fog, depression, anxiety and even after stopping for a year, symptoms didn't go away. What's even worse, the doctor couldn't even properly diagnose the guy. There isn't enough research on the drug long term to know all the possible side effects and how they might pop up later when aging really takes it's toll on our bodies. You are taking a risk by messing with your hormones. HOPEFULLY, hair loss sufferers won't have to be on this drug for more than 5 years.

[SOTF]

Yes, we are the clowns. Of course you won't bother picking apart our arguments.

[cichlidfort]

You two are a bunch of ignorant clowns. I won't even bother picking your arguments apart. Let the MAIN topic continue.

[KO1]

I have recently read a representative of Dr. Cole on these very boards say that his "experience", "seeing" patients tells him finasteride does not work as claimed. That is absolute rubbish and the longer history we have of these drugs show the efficacy is very, very good if you stop getting intertwined in people's fallacies and follow facts.

I agree with you. To suggest finasteride is ineffective is foolish and misleading. For what it's supposed to do - stop and slow down hairloss, it's great.

When I first started reading about hair loss, I used to read the same stupid tripe. "Fin is not very effective, expensive, and isn't covered by insurance" is what I learned. So I didn't take it being the poor college student I was.

F****g idiots.

[SOTF]

Tell your personal experience to the men that have irreversible side effects from taking Propecia/Fin. I however am not looking for a debate since I don't want to go astray from the topic. Buttttt, I am a fan of science. I have a degree in biology and I am currently in nursing school so go figure. But you can at least agree that a better alternative is in need and I am sure once there is one, you'll go that route?

If you were a man of science you would appreciate the literature and studies on AR-II blockers. Finasteride is considered a safe drug. I do not concern myself with sites dedicated to PFS. The only time my penis went limp was when I was OFF fin, spending hours a day reading the posts of men with limp wood.

As to your query, I do not know. I will decide when I come to that bridge. I know for a fact fin/dut saved my remaining hair and will do so indefinitely. The safety profile is great and with fin, has a long track record of such. Inhibition of type I AR is of slight concern with the use of DUT long-term. Again, anecdotally I feel fantastic on both drugs and this is further enforced by not seeing my hair loss march forward. My only regret was not taking them sooner because of unfounded fear.

[KO1]

When I read posts like yours, I seriously wonder if you even know how DHT plays a role on the human body.

Ahh...the patronizing, sanctimonious tone...pretty amusing.

We all know that when significant amount of DHT is blocked, sex drive is lowered and there will be impotence.

You posted a lot of "blah blah", but let's focus on this. Answer a simple question. If DHT is responsible for all these things, then why do most of us have no issue with sex drive or impotence?
Side effects can certainly happen, but according to you they should happen to everyone, but that is far from the case.

[cichlidfort]

The majority of your post is a fallacy. Let's discuss more fallacy. Here is my anecdotal report. I have a high sex drive, my muscle mass has never been better, I have zero mental fog and more energy than I've had in my life. All of this while on DUT with almost no serum DHT.

See those scientific studies that show hardly anyone with these side effects you claim? You are not a fan of science. Research the role of DHT in ADULT male bodies. I am doing just fine at the gym with my testosterone. You are a product of hair loss forum broscience.

Tell your personal experience to the men that have irreversible side effects from taking Propecia/Fin. I however am not looking for a debate since I don't want to go astray from the topic. Buttttt, I am a fan of science. I have a degree in biology and I am currently in nursing school so go figure. But you can at least agree that a better alternative is in need and I am sure once there is one, you'll go that route?