So how close are we to a new 'cure'

[sausage]

I don't have a great knowledge of the current news on potential new hair loss treatments....

Aren't Gho, Nigam, and Histogen all working on the same or very similar injectable 'cure'? So far with apparently some sort of positive result.....

you would like to think that one of them will refine their own method enough to come up with something sooner or later.......hopefully sooner.

[Pentarou]

Even Spencer believes hair loss will be cured in the next 10 years or less.

Seriously, does he? I've never listened to his show, I'll admit now.

[FearTheLoss]

It's not word of God, but I'd say it's a pretty good bet.

Exact quote:

Spencer "I talked with David Hall of Replicel you guys have seen on the show before... they've been working on Replicel since 2003...I believe they're on to a true science, technology that's gonna change peoples lives. It might not happen in 1 year or 2 years, it might not happen in 3 or 4, but it's gonna happen and they're getting closer and closer."

later on:

Spencer: "When I think about all those kids today and these companies that are really working on cures and effective treatments. When you're losing your hair today, you're 21-22, I'm not gonna put my hand on the bible on swear to this. But I can almost guarantee. You guys will not be living your adult lives as hairloss sufferers. There is a good chance that by the time you're in your 30's, this will all be over... you will be able to solve this in your young lives"

later on in talk with Joe from Staten Island.

"Replicel is going to make it happen for all of us."

[SOTF]

And all of it is wishful thinking. Hope is good but there is nothing definitive about Joe from Staten Island saying X product is going to make it rain. I cringe when I read people afraid to take finasteride or dutasteride. If I knew what I now know as fact, that these medications are the only real hope we have, I would have been on them 5 years ago before I went to a diffuse NW 3. I'd still have my hair, the studies show that as near certainty.

I have recently read a representative of Dr. Cole on these very boards say that his "experience", "seeing" patients tells him finasteride does not work as claimed. That is absolute rubbish and the longer history we have of these drugs show the efficacy is very, very good if you stop getting intertwined in people's fallacies and follow facts.

If you really want to remove doubt, skip finasteride and get on DUT at the first sign of loss. There is a wide range in DHT reduction on fin, which will not stop loss for some men. DUT provides a more stable reduction in DHT. Get on DUT, and WAIT.

[cichlidfort]

If you really want to remove doubt, skip finasteride and get on DUT at the first sign of loss. There is a wide range in DHT reduction on fin, which will not stop loss for some men. DUT provides a more stable reduction in DHT. Get on DUT, and WAIT.

When I read posts like yours, I seriously wonder if you even know how DHT plays a role on the human body. For those that say they don't experience sides are a bunch of fools. They might night physically feel them but you can damn right bet that their physiology is 100% altered when DHT is blocked. DHT is the king of male androgens and is about 3-10 times more potent then testosterone. Without sufficient DHT levels, you are not a full man and that is freaking fact. DHT helps with muscle development and furthermore, blocks the enzyme aromatase that converts testosterone into estrogen. That is why you have some men with female breasts when they go on Fin or Dut. It's sad really. The brain relies on sex hormones to function at it's best- DHEA, testosterone, estrogen and DHT. Out of all of those steroid compounds, DHT is still king. Testosterone only has a neural effect for a couple of hours while DHT is 24. DHT also helps with cholesterol. I could go on and on about this. We all know that when significant amount of DHT is blocked, sex drive is lowered and there will be impotence. The men that probably say they didn't notice any difference are probably not the most observant people. Many that say that have been on Fin for 10 years without sides that go off all of a sudden notice a big improvement in quality of life. I wonder why...

Moral of the story, fin and dut are just temporary preventives. It's a sacrifice when you take these drugs and a PERSONAL choice. Some men would rather have great muscle tone/high sex drive with little hair while others go for the cosmetic look. Everyone reacts to hair loss differently. Some men as myself are much better looking than others so it really all depends. Point is, we need a better cure that doesn't **** with our manliness. The end.

[SOTF]

The majority of your post is a fallacy. Let's discuss more fallacy. Here is my anecdotal report. I have a high sex drive, my muscle mass has never been better, I have zero mental fog and more energy than I've had in my life. All of this while on DUT with almost no serum DHT.

See those scientific studies that show hardly anyone with these side effects you claim? You are not a fan of science. Research the role of DHT in ADULT male bodies. I am doing just fine at the gym with my testosterone. You are a product of hair loss forum broscience.

[cichlidfort]

The majority of your post is a fallacy. Let's discuss more fallacy. Here is my anecdotal report. I have a high sex drive, my muscle mass has never been better, I have zero mental fog and more energy than I've had in my life. All of this while on DUT with almost no serum DHT.

See those scientific studies that show hardly anyone with these side effects you claim? You are not a fan of science. Research the role of DHT in ADULT male bodies. I am doing just fine at the gym with my testosterone. You are a product of hair loss forum broscience.

Tell your personal experience to the men that have irreversible side effects from taking Propecia/Fin. I however am not looking for a debate since I don't want to go astray from the topic. Buttttt, I am a fan of science. I have a degree in biology and I am currently in nursing school so go figure. But you can at least agree that a better alternative is in need and I am sure once there is one, you'll go that route?

[KO1]

When I read posts like yours, I seriously wonder if you even know how DHT plays a role on the human body.

Ahh...the patronizing, sanctimonious tone...pretty amusing.

We all know that when significant amount of DHT is blocked, sex drive is lowered and there will be impotence.

You posted a lot of "blah blah", but let's focus on this. Answer a simple question. If DHT is responsible for all these things, then why do most of us have no issue with sex drive or impotence?
Side effects can certainly happen, but according to you they should happen to everyone, but that is far from the case.

[SOTF]

Tell your personal experience to the men that have irreversible side effects from taking Propecia/Fin. I however am not looking for a debate since I don't want to go astray from the topic. Buttttt, I am a fan of science. I have a degree in biology and I am currently in nursing school so go figure. But you can at least agree that a better alternative is in need and I am sure once there is one, you'll go that route?

If you were a man of science you would appreciate the literature and studies on AR-II blockers. Finasteride is considered a safe drug. I do not concern myself with sites dedicated to PFS. The only time my penis went limp was when I was OFF fin, spending hours a day reading the posts of men with limp wood.

As to your query, I do not know. I will decide when I come to that bridge. I know for a fact fin/dut saved my remaining hair and will do so indefinitely. The safety profile is great and with fin, has a long track record of such. Inhibition of type I AR is of slight concern with the use of DUT long-term. Again, anecdotally I feel fantastic on both drugs and this is further enforced by not seeing my hair loss march forward. My only regret was not taking them sooner because of unfounded fear.

[KO1]

I have recently read a representative of Dr. Cole on these very boards say that his "experience", "seeing" patients tells him finasteride does not work as claimed. That is absolute rubbish and the longer history we have of these drugs show the efficacy is very, very good if you stop getting intertwined in people's fallacies and follow facts.

I agree with you. To suggest finasteride is ineffective is foolish and misleading. For what it's supposed to do - stop and slow down hairloss, it's great.

When I first started reading about hair loss, I used to read the same stupid tripe. "Fin is not very effective, expensive, and isn't covered by insurance" is what I learned. So I didn't take it being the poor college student I was.

F****g idiots.

[cichlidfort]

You two are a bunch of ignorant clowns. I won't even bother picking your arguments apart. Let the MAIN topic continue.

[SOTF]

Yes, we are the clowns. Of course you won't bother picking apart our arguments.

[cichlidfort]

Yes, we are the clowns. Of course you won't bother picking apart our arguments.

Everyone is different on the drug and who is to say you won't get some sort of major side effect down the road when you're in your 50s? I just read a story that a guy was on propecia for 8 years and then boom, mental fog, depression, anxiety and even after stopping for a year, symptoms didn't go away. What's even worse, the doctor couldn't even properly diagnose the guy. There isn't enough research on the drug long term to know all the possible side effects and how they might pop up later when aging really takes it's toll on our bodies. You are taking a risk by messing with your hormones. HOPEFULLY, hair loss sufferers won't have to be on this drug for more than 5 years.

[SOTF]

Everyone is different on the drug and who is to say you won't get some sort of major side effect down the road when you're in your 50s? I just read a story that a guy was on propecia for 8 years and then boom, mental fog, depression, anxiety and even after stopping for a year, symptoms didn't go away. What's even worse, the doctor couldn't even properly diagnose the guy. There isn't enough research on the drug long term to know all the possible side effects and how they might pop up later when aging really takes it's toll on our bodies. You are taking a risk by messing with your hormones. HOPEFULLY, hair loss sufferers won't have to be on this drug for more than 5 years.

There are human beings void of type II AR from birth that live fruitful, productive lives with fantastic hair. That is a bit longer than five years. Again, there is plenty of research on the drug. Your head is in the sand.

[KO1]

You two are a bunch of ignorant clowns. I won't even bother picking your arguments apart. Let the MAIN topic continue.

Why don't you answer my question? Since you know so much about DHT and how the human body works.

Why do the vast majority of men not suffer sides if DHT is so crucial to sex drive?