Dr Nigam, my own experience

[Arashi]

Okay Arashi, I have no doubts about your intentions. However I think, maybe because of the lack of the reading and digging in this topic which I do understand, there are allot misunderstandings.

Its not more than applying the already known and done research, In Vitro. which means the cells will be screen with PCR, you'll check if the cells are healthy, and express same markers as the reference studies. Take arvid for example who did the same in the US.

regarding safety of expanding your own mesenchymal cells and administering them back. Like I said before, even tho there are so many human trials for various diseases with mesecnhymal cells, you will never have guarantee. (regenerative medicine) THis is my previous post about safety.

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?p=138682#post138682

(read it )

It remains experimental is my opinion. for now GO with regular mechanical treatments, and wait and see what the time brings in the future.



for me its waiting for the vitro results, from there, IF they comply, I will fly back for test on MY own.

I say this for you and you only, because I think you are a good person. If hairloss annoys you this much, then please do something about it, do a HT man. the thing is, all these years on forum, instead of doing nice things, with your gf for example, You will regret over some years, that you have not enjoid your life to the fullest. Take adventage of what is already possible, and is already proven to be safe. and enjoy your hair, is my very best advice.


Me, I will continue what I do best regardless of what other individuals say or think, without ever involving or recommending any of these experimental to other individuals than my self, and do what I think is best for my path to fix my hairloss.

Take care!

Boldy

I know you only mean good as well, Boldy, and I highly appreciate all you do. I don't worry about you, you know all the risks and are at a better position than anyone to judge them. I do worry about the others though. I think what Nigams doing is unethical. My professor at university once defined ethics simply as: if what you're doing would appear on the front page of the newspaper, would you be ok with it ? I think Dr Nigams wouldn't be. I'm afraid that people are going to India who, unlike you, do NOT understand the full risk of what they're going to have done.

I know people complain about the Western world, about how treatments have to go through years of safety testing before they can be marketed. But in the end, it's all for a good reason.

[tom vercetti]

Please re-read that quote by Mr Z that I just posted on the previous page.

No this post dont speak about 3D dp cell culture. This post is right, but dont speak about the topic. He is just speking from a very general point of view and dont mention any point, just "think" of "what could be dangerous in india"

Sorry, but I also feel really concern about safety but here risk is as low as go in the street and get hurt by a car...

[clarence]

but they think they are ahah.. Boldy showed me few studies in india, and peoples here just dont understand what is done.. thats the problem

I mean obviously I'm not educated enough to judge Boldy's work either, but he's obviously putting a lot of his time and effort into it, without monetary compensation, and some people are just too didi to appreciate that.

[Boldy]

So then, we conclude that somebody without a professional study and degree conducts the experiments, for a doctor who isn't a real doctor, and who will test it on you. Right ? Sorry for stating this so harsh, I don't want to offend you or Boldy, but at the same time it's true, right ?

Okay Arashi, I have no doubts about your intentions. However I think, maybe because of the lack of the reading and digging in this topic which I do understand, there are allot misunderstandings.

Its not more than applying the already known and done research, In Vitro. which means the cells will be screen with PCR, you'll check if the cells are healthy, and express same markers as the reference studies. Take arvid for example who did the same in the US.

regarding safety of expanding your own mesenchymal cells and administering them back. Like I said before, even tho there are so many human trials for various diseases with mesecnhymal cells, you will never have guarantee. (regenerative medicine) THis is my previous post about safety.

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?p=138682#post138682

(read it )

It remains experimental is my opinion. for now GO with regular mechanical treatments, and wait and see what the time brings in the future.



for me its waiting for the vitro results, from there, IF they comply, I will fly back for test on MY own.

I say this for you and you only, because I think you are a good person. If hairloss annoys you this much, then please do something about it, do a HT man. the thing is, all these years on forum, instead of doing nice things, with your gf for example, You will regret over some years, that you have not enjoid your life to the fullest. Take adventage of what is already possible, and is already proven to be safe. and enjoy your hair, is my very best advice.


Me, I will continue what I do best regardless of what other individuals say or think, without ever involving or recommending any of these experimental to other individuals than my self, and do what I think is best for my path to fix my hairloss.

Take care!

Boldy

[Arashi]

arashi please explain us how it may be harmfull to get 3d injections?

Please re-read that quote by Mr Z that I just posted on the previous page.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

arashi please explain us how it may be harmfull to get 3d injections?

[Arashi]

In french: "OUFFFFF"

It still have people like you on forum !! what you say is just what I try to explain since a while Thanks my friend.

I just want you to fully understand the risks, Tom, that's all. Personally I think it's outright crazy what you're going to do. But then, people jump off cliffs in a wingsuit all the time, knowing there's quite a chance they won't survive. I'm quite liberal here. As long as somebody understands the risks, he's allowed to drive a car without safety belt as far as I'm concerned, allowed to jump of a cliff in a wingsuit, inject himself with heroine, have unprotected sex with a Thai hooker and have 3d culture tested on him that potentially could kill him.


In my opinion, as long as somebody understands the risks, he's free to do whatever he wants (without harming others of course). So I wish you all the best Tom.

[tom vercetti]

I'm not doubting Dr. Nigam, I wouldn't go over there for a procedure yet, because I haven't seen proof...but I'm patiently waiting and I keep a neutral view on the subject of donor doubling.

If Dr. Mwamba confirms it's legitimacy than I will believe 100%...as Dr. Mwamba is a highly respected doctor....and I don't think any doctors in the USA will be able to question the technique if Dr. Mwamba confirms it either....he has too good of a reputation.

In french: "OUFFFFF"

It still have people like you on forum !! what you say is just what I try to explain since a while Thanks my friend.

[FearTheLoss]

By beginning of september. He will test, and make his own case study (confidential for him). If he found all is ok, he will bring a brand new doubling technique in europe, and when I say "brand new" thats mean the last improvement in this technique by nigam.. So Dr Mwamba will be able to see different doubling technique tested and follow them in real time. So continue to think is a fake, but you still have only few more months to think so..

I'm not doubting Dr. Nigam, I wouldn't go over there for a procedure yet, because I haven't seen proof...but I'm patiently waiting and I keep a neutral view on the subject of donor doubling.

If Dr. Mwamba confirms it's legitimacy than I will believe 100%...as Dr. Mwamba is a highly respected doctor....and I don't think any doctors in the USA will be able to question the technique if Dr. Mwamba confirms it either....he has too good of a reputation.

[tom vercetti]

What of it if he doesn't have a degree, if those who have degrees AND a lot of money fvck up time after time. I'm wagering stuff would get done in some of these big companies (cough cough aderans) if they would have recruited these sort of guys who do all sorts of exciting stuff on forums.

I don't think didi, alchemist and others are educated enough about Boldy's work to be the judge here

but they think they are ahah.. Boldy showed me few studies in india, and peoples here just dont understand what is done.. thats the problem

[clarence]

What of it if he doesn't have a degree, if those who have degrees AND a lot of money fvck up time after time. I'm wagering stuff would get done in some of these big companies (cough cough aderans) if they would have recruited these sort of guys who do all sorts of exciting stuff on forums.

I don't think didi, alchemist and others are educated enough about Boldy's work to be the judge here

[Arashi]

hmm there is a misunderstood things here. I think few of them didnt get the thing: dps cells multiplication means many different topic as the speed of multiplication, aggregate, spheroidal, protocol etc.. its not as simple. Boldy helped him by learning ALL the studies already done (even on human.. Yes..) on earth. He didnt conduced the whole Research and Devlopment department, but only helped to bring few protocol to get 3D protocol ready faster. Actually, Nigam dont invent the water again. He will just make the 3D available to us, wich means result already known (as you know its even tried in US by arvid on Humans!?). Then + improvement of course with all nigam previous research.

I kind of like this post below, from "Mr Z" on HS. It describes the situation pretty well in my opinion. Anyway, if you still want to move on with this, good luck to you Tom.

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Mr Z:

And i'm amazed at how people who are so willing to accept something without any proof. There is not one single shred of objective, scientific evidence that Dr. Nigam can grow hair or even that what he's doing is safe.

How do you know his procedure is safe? Did he do a safety trial? You imply that because aderans and replicel had no safety issues therefore Nigam must be completely safe. I can not even begin to stress to you how wrong headed, utterly naive and ignorant you are on the subject. Comparing Nigam's fiddling in the lab to a full blown clinical trial is like comparing 5 year olds playing t-ball on the playground to the major leagues.

Do you understand that both Replicel and Aderans had to conduct their trials under the strictest manufacturing controls that exist. Their trials are monitored and audited, every step of the way, every single aspect of their process from start to finish. They had to throw out a entire group of subjects because the cells they shipped fell outside a predefined temperature range. It was probably just a few degrees for a brief period of time. But they were forced to but outside governing bodies to ensure the validity and safety of the trial. How strict do you think Nigam is being? Who's watching over him? The answer is no one. Yet he's cooking up whatever and injecting away without a care in the world

Nigam has no expertise in cell culturing, his facilities and his process are not subjected to the same rigors that a biotech or pharma company conducting a clinical trial are. I work in laboratory for a pharma company for the past 15 years. The work in my department and my group is held to a predefined, rigorous scientific standard that would make Nigam's head spin. The documentation, the procedural steps for sample handling and processing are ridiculous. And i'm preclinical!! The clinical folks go to lengths that are staggering. All to ensure that the trial is conducted safely, that it's standardized and that the results are objectively meaningful. It takes a huge team of people to pull that off. Nigam and his guys that he pulled randomly off the internet are not in that league...they're not in the same universe.

As for his efficacy - this has been thoroughly addressed in this thread. He's not produced any photos that are less than ambiguous. And i don't buy the NSN is "sensitive" that's f'ng ridiculous. And if that was the case then why did Nigam lie about it initially and say that NSN was having family issues. Once again, the story has changed. OBI dissappeared without explanation. If he received a revolutionary treatment that was growing hair on his baldass head, do you really think he just go away and never be heard from again? BS. Something went down with both cases that we are not being let in on.

I know you're desperate to have hair, as is everybody around here. And im not saying Nigam can't make it work, maybe he will. But, you absolutely have to be objective about any kind of assessment you make of him. And if you're honest with yourself, and you truly weigh what he's shown on these forums... you can't conclude really anything about him other than he's ambitious and has a lot of big ideas. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean he's able to grow hair and it certainly doesn't mean that what he's doing is safe. Please take your time with it, see if any of the cases he's already done pan out before you leap in and have your head injected with who knows what.

If you go to have the procedure i wish you best of luck and hope all turns out well and safe for you. It would be great if Nigam did what no one else has managed, but, count me as a sceptic until proven otherwise.

[tom vercetti]

When is Dr. Mwamba going to start this testing?

I think we should focus more on proving the doubling technique, because if it is as claimed, than hair loss is cured by surgery. (IF)

By beginning of september. He will test, and make his own case study (confidential for him). If he found all is ok, he will bring a brand new doubling technique in europe, and when I say "brand new" thats mean the last improvement in this technique by nigam.. So Dr Mwamba will be able to see different doubling technique tested and follow them in real time. So continue to think is a fake, but you still have only few more months to think so..

[tom vercetti]

So then, we conclude that somebody without a professional degree conducts the experiments, for a doctor who isn't a real doctor, and who will test it on you. Right ? Sorry for stating this so harsh, I don't want to offend you or Boldy, but at the same time it's true, right ?

hmm there is a misunderstood things here. I think few of them didnt get the thing: dps cells multiplication means many different topic as the speed of multiplication, aggregate, spheroidal, protocol etc.. its not as simple. Boldy helped him by learning ALL the studies already done (even on human.. Yes..) on earth. He didnt conduced the whole Research and Devlopment department, but only helped to bring few protocol to get 3D protocol ready faster. Actually, Nigam dont invent the water again. He will just make the 3D available to us, wich means result already known (as you know its even tried in US by arvid on Humans!?). Then + improvement of course with all nigam previous research.

[FearTheLoss]

Actually I want the 3D for my whole scalp, give it a boost. And doubling will be tested by dr mwamba himself in next 6 months. I know its hard Arashi, but just let time to time.. I seen impressive result from my owns eyes..

When is Dr. Mwamba going to start this testing?

I think we should focus more on proving the doubling technique, because if it is as claimed, than hair loss is cured by surgery. (IF)