Dr Nigam, my own experience

[Arashi]

This is exactly why I was getting pissed off at the whole situation a few weeks after Tom's procedure. Plenty of people telling me to calm down until 3 months later etc, but without pre ops pics we don't have a statistical starting point and can't produce results and conclude anything at all.

I knew after a week this case was probably doomed from an analysis point of view.

Hairman2 and Dr Nigam had a discussion at hairsite about 1 month ago. Hairman2 was saying the before and after analysis Dr Nigam had attempted to do (not sure if you've seen it) was incorrect, Dr Nigam admitted he circled the wrong area. And the conversation went dead I think. I need to find those photos!!!

LOL, yeah I think those 2 circles are just totally different area's. This is horrible ... What a joke !!

[gc83uk]

And man look at this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n5vzcjhyvedaye1/before-%26-after-donor-4---tom.jpg

Take a close look at how he numbered those grafts in those 2 circles. Not sure if I should laugh or cry but the numbers are totally wrong !! They don't correlate at all. Look at 21, 23 and 28 for example. Or any circle. What is this, a joke ?

Yes this is exactly what hairman2 was referring to. We could do with finding the blown up large versions of these two photos. Bit busy atm, but i'll dig them out in about 1 hour unless you can find them at hairsite in the meantime. I've got another email here from Nigam with a bunch of crappy photos, post your email address and i'll forward it to you. You can delete your post/edit post and remove your email again.

[NewestGuy]

Okay . I have to agree with you, safety nr1.
this includes years of trialing like aderans and replicel do. and supervision. if people want it to happen faster, and cant wait, they can sign up for their trials indeed.

Also this is why I'm already happy with the trials already been preformed with mesechymal cells by certain companies(not just hairloss companies). with non modified culture medium. it at least shows that usual protocols has not killed people thus far.


I recommend mechanical approach for now and fda drugs, although, they also don't come without risck, but we know what to expect, since trials are preformed.

Do you have a good donor left?if so stop waiting

The best.

Boldy, while you were there with Dr. Nigam did you see any evidence of successful hair doubling? Were there any patients you met, or otherwise, that increased your faith in this procedure?

[Arashi]

And man look at this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n5vzcjhyvedaye1/before-%26-after-donor-4---tom.jpg

Take a close look at how he numbered those grafts in those 2 circles. Not sure if I should laugh or cry but the numbers are totally wrong !! They don't correlate at all. Look at 21, 23, 27 and 17 for example. Or any circle. What is this, a joke ?

[gc83uk]

I'm getting tired of this. Nigams need to get a NW7, give him 15k grafts, nobody will then ever doubt him again. But making huge errors like he did here, messes up just everything.

This is exactly why I was getting pissed off at the whole situation a few weeks after Tom's procedure. Plenty of people telling me to calm down until 3 months later etc, but without pre ops pics we don't have a statistical starting point and can't produce results and conclude anything at all.

I knew after a week this case was probably doomed from an analysis point of view.

Hairman2 and Dr Nigam had a discussion at hairsite about 1 month ago. Hairman2 was saying the before and after analysis Dr Nigam had attempted to do (not sure if you've seen it) was incorrect, Dr Nigam admitted he circled the wrong area. And the conversation went dead I think. I need to find those photos!!!

[Arashi]

I'm getting tired of this. Nigams need to get a NW7, give him 15k grafts, nobody will then ever doubt him again. But making huge errors like he did here, messes up just everything.

[Arashi]

If you overlay the pre-op with postop, you'll see that we'll miss about half of the donor area as pre-op picture. What if Nigams took high hair count grafts from that 'missing pre-op area' and implanted that into the visible pre-op area ? That way it would look like there's regrowth while he just moved & split grafts.

I can't believe he shaved that huge area after the pre-op picture. Really, I don't see how we can use this case for analysis.

[Arashi]

Yea I had a brief look. The photos are almost useless unfortunately.

Well for quite a few grafts we can see if they're single or doubles in the pre-op photo. The photo is not of stellar quality but it might just be enough. But the fact that they shaved half of the donor AFTER the pre-op picture makes the whole thing rather useless in my opinion. That plus that we don't know where he implanted grafts back. The post-op pics are a huge mess. Not sure what's donor and what's recipient.

I would like to know how many grafts were implanted back in the donor. Do you have this info?

I'm quite sure he posted this somewhere but no I don't have this at hand.

[gc83uk]

Did you already take a close look at the photo's ? There are several factors that are going to make this very difficult to analyse in my opinion:
1) No birthmark/tattoo it seems. Not sure how Nigams is even going to locate the exact position again ?
2) They shaved a huge part after the pre-op picture (the post-op strip is both much thicker and longer, so we don't have a pre-op for quite a lot of grafts)
3) Pre-op resolution is still quite low. Probably just good enough but it's going to be difficult
4) Grafts were implanted back into donor right ? This is going to make it even harder to see what's what.

Maybe I'm missing something but this is going to be an extremely difficult analysis in my opinion. And the fact that we don't have a pre-op for about half of the donor is going to make it next to impossible. And I'm not even talking about recipient, that's even more difficult I think I remember they implanted alot INTO his hairline ...

Yea I had a brief look. The photos are almost useless unfortunately.

I would like to know how many grafts were implanted back in the donor. Do you have this info?

[Arashi]

Really, maybe I'm overreacting but how are we supposed to do an analysis if we don't have half of the donor as pre-op ? And the recipient always bothered me a lot as well. It's just going to be extremely difficult to monitor since a lot was implanted into the hairline.

What Nigams needs to do is get a NW7 to his clinic and give him 15k grafts.

[Arashi]

Sure, take me a while to find them all, I take it you've seen this already:

Nigam chart pre-analysis area

Did you already take a close look at the photo's ? There are several factors that are going to make this very difficult to analyse in my opinion:
1) No birthmark/tattoo it seems. Not sure how Nigams is even going to locate the exact position again ?
2) They shaved a huge part after the pre-op picture (the post-op strip is both much thicker and longer, so we don't have a pre-op for quite a lot of grafts)
3) Pre-op resolution is still quite low. Probably just good enough but it's going to be difficult
4) Grafts were implanted back into donor right ? This is going to make it even harder to see what's what.

Maybe I'm missing something but this is going to be an extremely difficult analysis in my opinion. And the fact that we don't have a pre-op for about half of the donor is going to make it next to impossible. And I'm not even talking about recipient, that's even more difficult I think I remember they implanted alot INTO his hairline ...

[garethbale]

He claims unlimited donor, so, even you would be able to go to nw2 if you wanted to sausage....based on what he claims..it is yet to be determined if his claims are legit

Have to say if his claims were true that would be amazing.

I could completely fill in my hairline and have plenty left over for future work

Need to wait for solid evidence though.

[FearTheLoss]

TBH I am completely lost with this at the moment......The main thing that is keeping me interested is the fact Dr Mwamba has apparently taken an interest.

Could sum1 give a very brief description of Dr Nigam's method(s) and what he is expecting to achieve.........is whatever he has claimed he can do......going to help a NW6?

He claims unlimited donor, so, even you would be able to go to nw2 if you wanted to sausage....based on what he claims..it is yet to be determined if his claims are legit

[sausage]

TBH I am completely lost with this at the moment......The main thing that is keeping me interested is the fact Dr Mwamba has apparently taken an interest.

Could sum1 give a very brief description of Dr Nigam's method(s) and what he is expecting to achieve.........is whatever he has claimed he can do......going to help a NW6?

[hellouser]

Iron Man was rude to him and attacked him unnecessarily.

Other than that, people questioned his practices and photos but no one attacked him. I hope he doesn't feel that he was attacked, we just want to scrutinise his methods.

I hope he continues to post.

He deserves every bit of CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. Its completely warranted and fair. However Ironman's insults had nothing to do with either side of the argument.