Dr Nigam, my own experience

[sausage]

All the patenting stuff happend in 2011...I don't know if it did get a patent.......what has happend since?

This company just offer hair transplants if you go on their website.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

it doesnt make sense not to work behind temples it works everywhere there is hair :


WE NEED INFO ON THIS NOW

Was this Armani guy.......only able to get temples to grow? What about the rest of the head?

[sausage]

Was this Armani guy.......only able to get temples to grow? What about the rest of the head?

[hellouser]

Some info on one of the doctors from the published patent:

http://www.alviarmani.com/about/dr-antonio-armani-message.aspx

[hellouser]

The patent show a +114% of regrowth, with a hair density passing from 100 to over 200 hair for cm2 (the average density in a scalp not affected from aga).
Of course there could be other reasons to not be doing anything, maybe the majority of new hair were vellus or could be related to the fact that Armani was force to resign is licence due to unethical reasons, who knows

Tom just of curiosity how many injections did you take? I was reading on this patent
http://www.google.com/patents/US20110305671 that in their protocol the made until 100 injection for cm2!! (i was so naive to think it would be at max 1 for cm2)

assuming 10 injections for cm2 and a scalp of 80cm2 we talk of 800 injections and more, to be onest the numbers is quite scared.

"In one aspect of the invention, the number of injections is 5 to 100 injections per square centimeter of the scalp, optionally 10 to 50 injections per square centimeter. In another aspect, 10 or 15 injections per square centimeter are performed. In another aspect of the invention, up to 50 or 60 injections per square centimeter are performed"

Why is this a patent?

They obviously were able to get full density back for a patient... so now what, they need clinical trials to bring it to market? Or not?

[dipship31]

The hair density in the left temporal area (receiving cells and growth factors only) showed a quick increase (96% compared to day 0) at week 3 post-injection; 3-6 weeks reaching a plateau; 6-8 weeks further increasing to reach 114% at week 8 post-injection (FIG. 6, solid line). The hair density in the right temporal area (receiving the mixture of cells and growth factors and hyaluronic acid gel) gradually increased by 58% at week 3, 86% at week 6, and 111% at week 8 post-injection (FIG. 6, dotted line).

whoa

[mari0s]

already link it two pages ago, msg 1139

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Yeah, I'd love to see a link for the patent and those outstanding numbers. Matter of fact, I think this patent/discovery deserves a thread of its own.

[hellouser]

The patent show a +114% of regrowth, with a hair density passingo from 100 to over 200 hair for cm2 (the average density in a scalp not affected from aga).
Of course there could be other reasons to not doing anything, maybe the majority of new hair were vellus or could be related to the fact that Armani was force to resign is licence due to unethical reasons, who knows

Where are you seeing this patent and those numbers? Do you have a link?

[mari0s]

Wow Mario, are you saying that Dr. Armani has a method to restore temporal hair regrowth at the cellular level yet is just sitting on this patent and not doing anything to essentially bring a much improved hair regrowth method to hair loss sufferers?

The patent show a +114% of regrowth, with a hair density passing from 100 to over 200 hair for cm2 (the average density in a scalp not affected from aga).
Of course there could be other reasons to not be doing anything, maybe the majority of new hair were vellus or could be related to the fact that Armani was force to resign is licence due to unethical reasons, who knows

[hellouser]

Wow Mario, are you saying that Dr. Armani has a method to restore temporal hair regrowth at the cellular level yet is just sitting on this patent and not doing anything to essentially bring a much improved hair regrowth method to hair loss sufferers?

This is definitely something that should be on our radar!!!!

Desmond, comments?!

[DepressedByHairLoss]

Hi, nor Tom nor Wesley have spoken about this number so i was curios of how many have actually taken. :P
I wish it would be required only half an hour but i'm afraid at least two days. Replicel have develop a new kind of syringe but i don't know if could be really useful in this kind of matter.

http://rls.redrocketblastoff.com/product-pipeline/rci-02-injector/

About safety, here in Italy a huge mess happen when Stamina Foundation has been allowed to use mesenchymal cells from bone marrow, so far no one showed problems of any kind. Replicel and aderans use mesenchymal cells form DP which have proven to be safe so far (they have more than 10 years of trials on their back)

About the patent i've linked i have noticed that has been registered more than 2 yrs ago under Alvi Armani who is (was?) a HT surgeon and show a complete temporal restoration (in terms of quantity, i don't know about density) so why they don't have never offered to their patients? Maybe the HT business is more profitable, we should remember before start complain about Nigam every time

Wow Mario, are you saying that Dr. Armani has a method to restore temporal hair regrowth at the cellular level yet is just sitting on this patent and not doing anything to essentially bring a much improved hair regrowth method to hair loss sufferers?

[veca]

the head Lab worker is a talented professional without doubts. and the protocols and guidelines don't differ from Europe. the lab seme to be under supervision of the fda that checks regular there.

regarding safety its a hard questions. my believe everything, every medicine has its risk. The things we know is that mesenchymal dermal cells are extensively tested on human around the world without known sides (as fare literature describes).autologous (your own cells), expanded, and dose depended injected back. that latter part should be done with full caution of course.


the difference between 2d/3d culture = that 3d comes nearby vivo environment. cells can feed each other with signals and can maintain this way their instinctive properties.


You will not hear me say cell therapy is 100% safe. that is not possible. that's the same like I would say the following: paracetamol is safe for everyone. that is simply not true, there are always people who have adverse effects from that drug or even worse.

the good thing, I have noticed, first day I arrived at nigams, even before discussing the procedure what I wanted, like ht, doubling or hm, they took a full blood for analyses.. its at least something, they check the blood levels beforehand.


My word is cell therapy remains experimental at this date, and experimental means we have no certainty. even companies that pass all the 3 trial phases, it says not everything. there is no guarantee, however, I think cell therapy will be more and more a solution for various diseases in the future. its called regenerative medecine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_medicine

Thank you for your response, I appreciate it.

[Boldy]

Boldy I appreciate your knowledge and expertise in this field of medicine. You were at the clinic with Dr. Nigam, you've seen it all, and you're part of the process. Can you give me your odgovoiti a question regarding the safety of the procedure. Are there side effects or a big or a small risk? Thank you in advance for your reply;-)

the head Lab worker is a talented professional without doubts. and the protocols and guidelines don't differ from Europe. the lab seme to be under supervision of the fda that checks regular there.

regarding safety its a hard questions. my believe everything, every medicine has its risk. The things we know is that mesenchymal dermal cells are extensively tested on human around the world without known sides (as fare literature describes).autologous (your own cells), expanded, and dose depended injected back. that latter part should be done with full caution of course.


the difference between 2d/3d culture = that 3d comes nearby vivo environment. cells can feed each other with signals and can maintain this way their instinctive properties.


You will not hear me say cell therapy is 100% safe. that is not possible. that's the same like I would say the following: paracetamol is safe for everyone. that is simply not true, there are always people who have adverse effects from that drug or even worse.

the good thing, I have noticed, first day I arrived at nigams, even before discussing the procedure what I wanted, like ht, doubling or hm, they took a full blood for analyses.. its at least something, they check the blood levels beforehand.


My word is cell therapy remains experimental at this date, and experimental means we have no certainty. even companies that pass all the 3 trial phases, it says not everything. there is no guarantee, however, I think cell therapy will be more and more a solution for various diseases in the future. its called regenerative medecine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_medicine

[veca]

Indeed mari0s, the thing is, why would you invest, and take ricks, if you have already a successful running clinic? regarding arvid, he has a very successful clinic line, nigams, has already 2 full clinics with 6-8 patients per day, however he still invests allot in improving the current techniques.

People don't seem to see this fact.

3d culture is to time consuming(the process would be approximately 8-10 weeks per patient), calculated per hour, its much smarter to make money with a HT... very sad that. the business are there just for money.. something we should not forget.



also, not to forget, in india you wont have the regulations issues, that you have in europe/us.

I have received my pics from nigams, and I think I will have time today to make my post, about my temporal hairline restoration, we used some different approach, than what he used to its a experiment that looks good so far.


Boldy

Boldy I appreciate your knowledge and expertise in this field of medicine. You were at the clinic with Dr. Nigam, you've seen it all, and you're part of the process. Can you give me your odgovoiti a question regarding the safety of the procedure. Are there side effects or a big or a small risk? Thank you in advance for your reply;-)