7th World Congress for Hair Research (2013)

[Morbo]

Well that comparison is tenuous, to be honest; these companies have grown hair on human scalp, at least to some extent. The evidence base is there to work from. It isn't entirely conjecture.

It really is not. The only basis people are using to underpin their claims for a cure is that "the next 5 years are not the past 5". I'm pretty sure that was general consensus as well when Minoxodil was released.
Researchers do know a lot more than they did 10 years ago, but on a long term the actual cure could still be at least 20 years away.

[Artista]

Morbo,,your explanation is not substantiated.
The comparative that you had used in the field of cloning is way off..sorry to tell you.
You do know that there are different cloning technologies dont you?
'Dolly' was 'created' by the use of "Reproductive Cloning" using nuclear DNA and to clone humans in that realm would be highly unethical and not accepted , ever!
Also, due to the inefficiency of animal cloning (only about 1 or 2 viable offspring for every 100 experiments) and the lack of understanding about 'reproductive cloning' also makes it to be extremely unethical.
So to use that view of yours ("That doesn't mean we will be cloning humans in the coming 33 years") is completely off base.
The type and technology of hair cloning is not in the same realm or category.

[Morbo]

Morbo,,your explanation is not substantiated.

Well neither is yours. If you actually had any substance or hard evidence of a future cure, I'd say it's safe to say that baldness is a thing of the past. Until than, nope sorry. But I forgot, since Replicel released those neatly colored 'the human body' presentations - up the level of 5 year olds to attract investors - TBT is filled will haircells bio engineers and chemical scientists. Heck, if you gave them the right tools and a lab, they might grow the hairs themselves.

The comparative that you had used in the field of cloning is way off..sorry to tell you.
You do know that there are different cloning technologies dont you?
'Dolly' was 'created' by the use of "Reproductive Cloning" using nuclear DNA and to clone humans in that realm would be highly unethical and not accepted , ever!

Well, I could have used space travel, AI, plasma technology, robotics and God forbid time travel. I'm not even talking about cloning in particular.
Whenever these discoveries are made, the sky is the limit and all these hypotheses and theories come into play. Just because they understand the human brain, that doesn't mean they can replicate it. Scientists know for years what 'can' cause cancer and how to either slow it down or sometimes fight. Yet till this date there is no effective cure. Till this date researchers only still know half about baldness.

Don't get me the wrong way, I know I sound like a dick, but if there were a cure out there I'd obviously be the first to thank the Gods. But in truth I've been reading baldness cure articles for 3,5 years now and honestly I don't see anything on the horizon that's more waterproof than the one we had the day before.

[Artista]

Morbo,,your saying that MY explanation is not substantiated? No problem Morbo, ,,good luck in life my friend.

[drnigams]

Hello Desmond,
Just to tell you that .. it is Dr.Gerd who was the main investigator and the one who created a denovo microfollicle in vitro..and Laudster was his proffesor for the study.
Dr Gerd was there through out in the congress with me and had presented a poster titled."Long term organ culture of intact hair follicle in a chip based perfusion system"
Yes they are into many other research apart from hair follicle.
Hope fully dr gerd will be an independent consultant to my lab as our final draft agreement is drafted,in days to come..
It is not always the ex. big names in research, but but a few younger researchers have come out with better ideas in the congress...
But both the senior and junior researchers are doing excellent job,and are very open about sharing their research.
I feel it is only the regulatory restrictions which is ..the main block on the road to MPB cure.
Desmond, you must have also noticed that excpt few majority of the hair transplant surgeons were missing from the conference(though i met cooley,shapiro,Farjao and few others...but other big ht surgeons were missing.
I think by now people should understand that HT surgeons are not interested in stemcell,Hm therapies as that may be a threat to their practice.
As STEMCELL work is mostly performed at labs by biotechs.
There were two papers on follicular bisection and subsequent regrowth of dermal papilla..thus supporting the donor doubling cases i presented on the forum.
After visiting the congress..it's my observation that forum discussions among few members are nothing short of discussions and knowledge of researchers....
Well,I am fortunate to benefit from both the groups...

Btw guys, don't you find it odd that Dr. Lauster did not attend the Hair Research Congress or the International Investigative Dermatology conference!?!

DO you think he really has moved on? If so, that's a real shame

[One]

Dr Nigam now what do you offer to us for to come back from NW7 to Nw 2-1?

[Artista]

Dr Nigams , I must say that Im impressed with your sincerity. You have gone out of your way in providing information and updates to all of us here at the BTT forum.
Especially in regards to the latest convention. Thank you sir

[Pentarou]

Dr Nigam, my respect for you has increased enormously. Thank you for keeping us at BTT informed.

[Pentarou]

Dr Nigam, has there been any signs at the congress that any business attending is likely to launch any new anti-hairloss products, however minor, in the next 5 years or less?

[eqvist]

After visiting the congress..it's my observation that forum discussions among few members are nothing short of discussions and knowledge of researchers....
Well,I am fortunate to benefit from both the groups...

Your approach to finding a solution to hair loss makes me positive! To use knowledge that some of these forums memders has and let them help you with reachers i think could lead to something very good!

[Jairus]

ETA for Histogen's presentation?

[UK_]

Dr Nigam, do you think Dr Gerd could add Hellousers picture to his presentation?

[UK_]

Morbo is absolutely spot on, we cloned Dolly the sheep nearly two decades ago but there's probably no indication of us cloning humans in this century! Biology>Physics in complexity - the complexity of organisms is just mind boggling ask any evolutionary biologist and they'll tell you.

Guys, im going to be blunt, I'm usually all for and positive about the "technological progress" being made in cell therapy etc, but everything being discussed is still in theoretical stages. Dr Nigam stated there are individuals who are coming up with new ideas for hair loss cures... okay... now ask yourself how long an IDEA takes to go from 'idea stage' to a marketable product.

You're talking over a decade for every idea, so even if you're in your early 20's, you'll probably be hitting 40 by the time some of these ideas come out (granted they've made it through the deathly firey pit of legal/safety/corruption/greed/self-interest hurdles first), and by the time your 40, you'll think... meh, whats the point now?

So at my best estimate I'd probably say those people who have not been born yet, people who will be born in about 5 years time (ha! 5 years lol) are most likely to see a better treatment by the time they hit their late teens/early 20's.

[Vox]

So at my best estimate I'd probably say those people who have not been born yet, people who will be born in about 5 years time (ha! 5 years lol) are most likely to see a better treatment by the time they hit their late teens/early 20's.

This is what I am thinking also. For cases like mine (5th decade of life) it is already "game over". But I think about the kids of my daughter. They will almost certainly suffer from the same plague (I got the genes from my grandfather also, from the side of my mother; my father is quite OK for his age). But by the time they reach their 20's, which would be about three decades from now, it is almost certain that all this will be past. Even if there is no cure for someone who is already bald, I am very confident that there will be ways to safely keep your hair.

[Dazza]

Edited post as it had nothing to do with the thread. lets keep this 7th World Congress for Hair Research (2013) related