7th World Congress for Hair Research (2013)

[mmmcoffee]

While I agree, don't spend every waking moment on here, it's nice to track all these experimental treatments...id of never even heard of histogen etc without tbt, much less Bpn-32 or RU

[hellouser]

i don't like the idea of this congress being some sort of beacon early in the year. we get bashed by irrationally optimistic people for being realistic and we are ALWAYS right. next year let's just not set it up like that.

I never had high hopes for anything anyway. The only thing I would have liked to see were results from histogen and Aderans. Even that didn't happen. Not yet anyway.

[bigentries]

i don't like the idea of this congress being some sort of beacon early in the year. we get bashed by irrationally optimistic people for being realistic and we are ALWAYS right. next year let's just not set it up like that.

That's the problem, irrational optimism

The problem is that the flux of new baldies continue, and for the first couple of years they come with really inflated expectations

Then people who take the skeptic approach get attacked as "pessimists" and "close-minded" because we don't support the newest snake oil or get excited at another mice study

[rdawg]

That's the problem, irrational optimism


Then people who take the skeptic approach get attacked as "pessimists" and "close-minded" because we don't support the newest snake oil or get excited at another mice study

yea but science is not static and there is reason to be more optimistic than even 5 years ago.

they know much more than they did back then, yes we are still at least a few years away, but it's not like we dont have products that are producing results(bim and histogen currently at least).

[534623]

I never had high hopes for anything anyway.

Interesting. I mean, for not having any high hopes for anything - I'm surprised to see you in almost EVERY snake oil and BS thread.

[Conpecia]

Interesting. I mean, for not having any high hopes for anything - I'm surprised to see you in almost EVERY snake oil and BS thread.

he simply chooses to pursue treatments that have some chance of being released in his lifetime...

[534623]

he simply chooses to pursue treatments that have some chance of being released in his lifetime...

Sure, why not ...



...doing this the coming 10-50 years or so.

[yeahyeahyeah]

I agree yeahyeahyeah, I gave this advice on the show but even I find myself lingering around for some announcement and as a consequence I find myself feeling much more miserable. Guys, set a website blocker on your internet browser and block this forum, seriously. Give it 2-3 weeks and don't get your hopes up for any major news, we will likely get updates from Histogen about phase II and possibly from Replicell and Aderans, until then as yeahyeahyeah says try to live your lives.

Peace, BB.

Everyday I do find myself checking the forum. For like 5 mins or so.

But that's it.

The trouble is when you start posting to the point it becomes a habit.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Sure, why not ...



...doing this the coming 10-50 years or so.

Iron man you are just a depressive dick for someone who is not working on a cure themselves.

The word pessimism should have your face tagged to it.

Even if there is no cure anytime soon, hope is a powerful thing. It gives people a sense of optimism which in turn may spill into other areas of life.

[bigentries]

yea but science is not static and there is reason to be more optimistic than even 5 years ago.

they know much more than they did back then, yes we are still at least a few years away, but it's not like we dont have products that are producing results(bim and histogen currently at least).

5 years ago (and a couple of years more) we had intercytex and aderans and people were already calling each other stupid because they wanted an HT when they just had to wait for 2010 and HM would return all their hair back. Hell, even people were more optimistic about results back then, now no one believe an NW 7 is going to get a cosmetic result

Bim and histogen are the same. Bim has already failed at a specific dose, and histogen hasn't shown a male result with a cosmetic improvement

I don't see any improvement at all, yes, we have PGD2 but back then people were also heavily optimistic about Acell, PRP, wounding stuff that went nowhere

[yeahyeahyeah]

5 years ago (and a couple of years more) we had intercytex and aderans and people were already calling each other stupid because they wanted an HT when they just had to wait for 2010 and HM would return all their hair back. Hell, even people were more optimistic about results back then, now no one believe an NW 7 is going to get a cosmetic result

Bim and histogen are the same. Bim has already failed at a specific dose, and histogen hasn't shown a male result with a cosmetic improvement

I don't see any improvement at all, yes, we have PGD2 but back then people were also heavily optimistic about Acell, PRP, wounding stuff that went nowhere

The most realistic thing to expect from histogen is that its going to thicken up velius hairs and MAINTAIN. Which it has done so, as opposed to grow hair on slick bald scalp.


Aderans was always a shady horse.

[rdawg]

Bim and histogen are the same. Bim has already failed at a specific dose, and histogen hasn't shown a male result with a cosmetic improvement

I don't see any improvement at all, yes, we have PGD2 but back then people were also heavily optimistic about Acell, PRP, wounding stuff that went nowhere

from what I gathed bim got a decent result at their current percentage and wanted an even better result from a higher dose, that's the opposite of failing.

If it produces more growth than minoxidil it's defenitely an improvement.

Histogen has to release their next results which will come very soon.

you're also not counting how much hair transplant technology has improved as well.

like I said before, the science is only getting better, we know more and more each day, it's not an industry that will improve in a week, it takes years to test these things, but the baby steps are happening for sure.

but we could argue back and forth all day, we definitely need to see some hard definitive results soon.

[hellouser]

Interesting. I mean, for not having any high hopes for anything - I'm surprised to see you in almost EVERY snake oil and BS thread.

So Minox and RU that gave me results are snake oil? Only you could make such a ridiculous comment.

[Breaking Bald]

It says on Replicel's website 'commercial product may be available in 2015 in non-Western jurisdictions'. Surely this must be incorrect?

[bigentries]

from what I gathed bim got a decent result at their current percentage and wanted an even better result from a higher dose, that's the opposite of failing.

If it produces more growth than minoxidil it's defenitely an improvement.

Be careful how companies word their results (like replicel did)

If the results are mediocre, then it's bad news

Intercytex also did the same "will try other approaches" after they got mediocre results from their phase II trials. As always (like people did with replicel) people tried to claim that they were good results, like propecia without sides, accused people from pessimism. Intercytex doesn't exists anymore, and their information doesn't seems to be helping Aderans a lot

you're also not counting how much hair transplant technology has improved as well.

How much? Don't say Gho because Gho has been claiming the same thing for over a decade
Besides some robots that nobody uses, I don't know about any other improvement

The only treatment I remain optimist is CB-03-01

Then Aderans and Histogen but they remain neutral, there is nothing to be excited, only time passes and is starting to bring their effectiveness into question