7th World Congress for Hair Research (2013)

[UK_]

Dr Nigam spoke to Ken Washenik - we can ask him what the status is with Aderans hopefully.

Desmond - what were you saying the other day about a scientist at Aderans developing a better method for improving their current process?? Can you expand on this? And if possible provide a link to where you found this information. Thanks

[StinkySmurf]

There was an Aderans presentation on the bill, but it wasn't the same speaker as the May 9th presentation at the derm conference, and it was on a different subject matter. There were two presentations, and I wouldn't expect either of them to be the formal Phase 2 results just like Desmond said, but I was still hoping we might get a status update.

[hellouser]

If Aderans were done, they wouldnt be attending the conference.

[UK_]

You can have multiple transplants with Gho - even 3 or 4 to bring you to a decent NW2... why bother with these morons like Aderans etc they are leading us all up the garden path - atleast Gho has got something done unlike Washenik 10 years and a few garbage vellus hairs.

What a waste of time - why not tell us 12 months ago you wont be providing an update for the next 18 months?

Utter dickheads.

[Arashi]

You can have multiple transplants with Gho - even 3 or 4 to bring you to a decent NW2... why bother with these morons like Aderans etc they are leading us all up the garden path - atleast Gho has got something done unlike Washenik 10 years and a few garbage vellus hairs.

What a waste of time - why not tell us 12 months ago you wont be providing an update for the next 18 months?

Utter dickheads.

Nah I disagree. I think what Aderans is doing is very exciting and I strongly believe it will yield results one day. However as with all these things you've just got to temper expectations. I'm expecting either Histogen, Aderans and/or Replicel to be available in 5 years and within 10 years I expect a real cure like Team Tokyo's. Although always very difficult to predict, I think based on current progress this should be the timeframe to think in.

[hellouser]

Hellouser... now would be a perfect time to post that pic.

[StinkySmurf]

I'm not partial either way. Aderans has been at it a long time so we're all curious to see their final data, and a Phase 3 announcement is gonna light a fire under everyone else's arse.

As far as Dr. Gho versus ARI, I think thats an apples and oranges comparison because you're talking about a surgical procedure versus a mass market drug or biologic. It takes almost a billion dollars and over a decade to create new a mass market solution.

To me, thats why Dr. Gho choose the route he did, but I'm sure there are a lot of ways you can look at that so thats just wild speculation on my part.

[UK_]

Nah I disagree. I think what Aderans is doing is very exciting and I strongly believe it will yield results one day. However as with all these things you've just got to temper expectations. I'm expecting either Histogen, Aderans and/or Replicel to be available in 5 years and within 10 years I expect a real cure like Team Tokyo's. Although always very difficult to predict, I think based on current progress this should be the timeframe to think in.

Its funny, because that's exactly what we were saying 5 years ago... and then 5 years before that.... and then 5 years before that... and so on and so on.

Team Tokyo is just whako science that will be 15 - 20 years away if we're lucky, thats like being sentenced to 15 years in prison for somoene who is starting to bald. What a complete pile of horse shit.

[UK_]

I'm not partial either way. Aderans has been at it a long time so we're all curious to see their final data, and a Phase 3 announcement is gonna light a fire under everyone else's arse.

As far as Dr. Gho versus ARI, I think thats an apples and oranges comparison because you're talking about a surgical procedure versus a mass market drug or biologic. It takes almost a billion dollars and over a decade to create new a mass market solution.

To me, thats why Dr. Gho choose the route he did, but I'm sure there are a lot of ways you can look at that so thats just wild speculation on my part.

Replicel have stated they have avoided a whole host of legal hurdles b/c their process utilises the patients own cells - it's just the multiplication process that holds safety issues so technically these treatments should get to the market faster than a drug and at a far smaller cost.

[hellouser]

Maybe we should get women to be vocal about it? We all know nobody gives a fvck about mens health. That could speed things up.

[Pentarou]

Anyone who has read hair loss forums for more than a year knows why UK_ feels like he does. Everything is always five years away and always a disappointment.

[Arashi]

Anyone who has read hair loss forums for more than a year knows why UK_ feels like he does. Everything is always five years away and always a disappointment.

But it's just utterly BS. Since 2 years we have people working around with out of stem cells bio engineered organs. Team Tokyo already succeeded at doing the same for hair follicles. If you neglect all that, sure you'll say it will ALWAYS be 5-10 years. But it's just a very dumb way of reasoning.

[UK Boy]

OK guys, as most of you know, we were unable to send a representative on behalf of the BTT to the Congress! So we need to wait a few more days to get more information about what was discussed at the Congress... So plz be patient


I personally have been blown away by the amount of effort Dr Nigam has put in to keep us up to date, which is very refreshing...a big shout out to him for understanding how much pain we are all in and how much it would mean to us to find out what was discussed!

Now, for those waiting on updates for Histogen, Aderans & Replicel please note the following:

1) Histogen & Replicel will be presenting their 12 month Phase I/IIa results on 8th of May...I am more than certain that within minutes of their presentation, all major media outlets will also release their findings...so that's a big plus for those that are not attending the "Investigative Dermatology Conference".

2) Aderans: Unfortunately Aderans will NOT be presenting their Phase 2 results at this conference as we discussed earlier. We managed to find the Abstract of their presentation and it is completely irrelevant! So plz, don't be dismayed once we find out their presentation had nothing to do with their Phase 2 trials...I myself am VERY disappointed and everyday seem to have less and less faith in their Ji Gami method! But that's life...

As a good friend of us on BTT mentioned: Thomas Edison once said "I have not failed 700 times. I've succeeded in proving 700 ways how not to build a lightbulb"...sadly that's Aderans in a nushell...

I think it's wrong to get down about Aderans just because they're not presenting results at this meeting. I mean there's plenty of other reasons to be down about Aderans such as their presentation from the MESA last year but I personally never expected them to be releasing results at this meeting. I think you're great Desmond but I think you got carried away and got everyone convinced that they were presenting and therefore must have great news. To be honest Aderans only finished their final phase 2 in April, I don't know which date exactly but it could well have been the last days of April and therefore only a week ago. They are probably still collecting and analysing results so we should never have expected to hear anything before late May/June. You can class Aderans as a fail for a number of reasons but but class them as a fail just because they aren't presenting anything about results at this meeting - that was never even on the table.

[Morbo]

But it's just utterly BS. Since 2 years we have people working around with out of stem cells bio engineered organs. Team Tokyo already succeeded at doing the same for hair follicles. If you neglect all that, sure you'll say it will ALWAYS be 5-10 years. But it's just a very dumb way of reasoning.

I don't mean to crush people's spirits because for most people these vague and illustrious reports on baldness cures are their only means of hope and dealing with their baldness, but on the 5th of July 1996 or exactly 17 years ago researchers cloned the first sheep named 'Doly'. That doesn't mean we will be cloning humans in the coming 33 years.

[SoClose]

I don't mean to crush people's spirits because for most people these vague and illustrious reports on baldness cures are their only means of hope and dealing with their baldness, but on the 5th of July 1996 or exactly 17 years ago researchers cloned the first sheep named 'Doly'. That doesn't mean we will be cloning humans in the coming 33 years.

Well that comparison is tenuous, to be honest; these companies have grown hair on human scalp, at least to some extent. The evidence base is there to work from. It isn't entirely conjecture.