The Ironman Procedure

[Arashi]

Sorry for the stupid question, but WHAT PART OF THIS EXACTLY ...


... don't you understand?

And who should be "somebody else", when nobody really knows A SHIT about

1) what really happened;
2) what's the real problem;
2) and finally, what's completely wrong with you at all.

Why the f?&&&& hell don't you address your questions, brain problems, concerns or crap whatever, to YOUR doctor who treated you??

LOL. Sometimes I wonder, if we lost the war 80 years ago and we'd all be German like you: would communication and manners like yours be standard ?

But it's no problem. You obviously do not want to add anything useful at all. What was I even thinking by asking ..

Be my guest and keep making photo's like you've done now and show us 'regrowth' like we've seen quite a few times before already without knowing if this really is regrowth or just failed extractions growing back. It doesn't add ANYTHING useful at all but you seem to be enjoying it, so why not.

[534623]

Why the f?&&&& hell don't you address your questions, brain problems, concerns or crap whatever, to YOUR doctor who treated you??

By the way, this is (besides a nice call by them about how it's going, immediately after the weekend) what I got today from MY doctor:

Dear IM,

Thank you for your e-mail.

I am glad to hear that you survived our treatment.

Besides the scheduled evaluations (1st week, 4th month and 9th month), we also have a 1-day-after-treatment evaluation. The purpose of the evaluation is to check if a client has immediate symptoms after the treatment like pain, bleeding, etc.

Thank you for letting me know that everything went smoothly. Feel free to e-mail me to keep me updated with your progress.

Yours sincerely,

Novia Mozart, M.D.

This is STANDARD in all HSI clinics!!
They always tell every patient "You can ALWAYS call us if you have any questions!"

[534623]

I was overall happy too. But the mere fact that Gho seems to be the only clinic out there where they don't give you a breakdown of 1s, 2s and 3s is just suspcious, especially since people are reporting thin recipient.

But since Iron Man is unwilling to help out here, we'll have to wait for somebody else to clear this up.

And regarding the failed extraction thing ...

Sorry for the stupid question, but WHAT PART OF THIS EXACTLY ...

Because MY PERSONAL REPORT ABOUT MY PERSONAL HST has nothing to do with
1) your procedure nor with
2) any other HST report out there.

... don't you understand?

And who should be "somebody else", when nobody really knows A SHIT about

1) what really happened;
2) what's the real problem;
2) and finally, what's completely wrong with you at all.

Why the f?&&&& hell don't you address your questions, brain problems, concerns or crap whatever, to YOUR doctor who treated you??

[Arashi]

I'd suggest anyone who's going to the Gho clinic to look at that page and make sure only *technicians* do the extraction ...

The 2 technicians that worked on my head did a good job. The non-technician messed up. Although, IF all failed extractions grow back, it's of course still ok (I guess), although damage to the follicle MAY cause even more difficult extraction next time maybe !?

[c5000]

I must say I'm a bit shocked. Obviously less- qualified people at Gho clinic take over at times and they mess up. When you pay steep prices like we do at Gho's clinic, you wouldn't expect this ...

It's actually worse than that, she STARTED my procedure which suggests to me that she was supposed to do half of my extractions, my donor could have been in a real mess after this.

Again, I'm trying to be positive, but I wasn't happy being worked on by someone who clearly was inexperienced. If these failed extractions recover then I'll be happy, but if I'm left with scars or lose those follicles I won't be happy at all.

[Arashi]

you have email

I must say I'm a bit shocked. Obviously less- qualified people at Gho clinic take over at times and they mess up. When you pay steep prices like we do at Gho's clinic, you wouldn't expect this ...

[Arashi]

Why can't you guys calculate such ridiculous things yourself??

I think you're missing the point. In my case, when the technician took over, the ratio dropped to about 20:3. That means 85% of the extractions are failed in that area. Hence, even if you noticed 85% of the hairs growing back, that still may mean you have exactly NO regrowth at all.

[c5000]

did you get it ? I removed it from your wall again for privacy purposes

you have email

[534623]

IM, you dont need tattoos to find 3 hair extraction sites.
What you do is simply observe certain area or few areas that have say 100 extractions ...

And these "certain area or few areas" contain 500 3-hair grafts??

What exactly is YOU QUESTION/PROBLEM at all?
That's exactly the reason why I always recommend you a 10,000 body hair HT with Umar - there you will not have any problems with counting 3-hair grafts at all ...

...basically 33% of extraction sites shd grow back 3s,..its not rocket science, your case was good as you didnt have these 'failed' extractions if i rmbr rite, not many anyway

Let's assume, and we just assume, that in my case they made 2800 drills (and therefore 2800 extraction holes) instead of just the planned 1400 drills for grafts for the recipient site - okay?

If 80% of these 2800 holes REGENERATE - there would be a loss of grafts in the donor area of 560 grafts (20%) - in the donor area.

If the ratio would be 1:1 instead of = 1400 drills, 1400 grafts for the recipient site - there would be an estimated loss of grafts in the donor area of around 280 grafts (20%) - in the donor area.

AND??

I think even in a worst case scenario (560 grafts in the donor area gone forever), I think this would still be a quantum leap just to lose 560 grafts in the donor area, instead of 1400 with traditional FUE!!

And who says that you have an 1:1 ratio with FUE??
Is there really someone who really believes that if a FUE doctor is making 1400 drills in your donor area, you will get 1400 grafts for your recipient area?? pffffff ...
If an FUE doctor is really doing this (or claims he is able to do this), I can guarantee you, that in this case, he implants at least 20% of these 1400 for nothing, because at least 20% of them WILL NOT GROW in the recipient area! In this case, you lost 1400 grafts in the donor area, and in best case, you only got 1100 in the recipient area. Great.

Furthermore, you ONLY pay the graft number you really get in your recipient sites. Where is the problem??

Why can't you guys calculate such ridiculous things yourself??

CONCLUSION
What's really important for HST, is the % of REGENERATION in the donor area - and so it's practially completely irrelevant how many drills were made, or whether or not they were forced to made more drills.

[c5000]

sorry mate, I must have missed it. can you put it up again and then delete it, I'll keep refreshing my messages page

got it mate

cheers

[c5000]

did you get it ? I removed it from your wall again for privacy purposes

sorry mate, I must have missed it. can you put it up again and then delete it, I'll keep refreshing my messages page

[Arashi]

did you get it ? I removed it from your wall again for privacy purposes

[Arashi]

Arashi, do you have an email address I can contact you on?

I'll send you a PM.

[c5000]

You can see it here: http://www.hasci.com/homepage.aspx

Out of respect for her I won't mention here name but the Maastricht clinic only has 2 ASSISTANT technicians ...

*EDIT* hyperlink doesn't work. Go to "institute" and then "who are we".

Arashi, do you have an email address I can contact you on?

[didi]

'When I asked Gho about getting another procedure for my crown next year, he said "we will wait and see if you have any scarring first"... that didn't sound to good as normally he says there won't be any scarring. '

not reassuring, thought no scarring is given...