HASCI - -How well does it work? Now we'll be able to find out!

[Arashi]

Also, I recounted all the hair loss and updated the file: http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php...17536856346723

I changed a few but the total only comes out 1 lower, my final result is 95 lost hairs in 105 extraction points.

Looking forward to the next area !

[jamesst11]

Also, I recounted all the hair loss and updated the file: http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php...17536856346723

I changed a few but the total only comes out 1 lower, my final result is 95 lost hairs in 105 extraction points.

Looking forward to the next area !

I am not following this too closely and for some reason cannot upload your pics on my computer. Are you saying with certainty that out of 105 extraction points, 10 hairs grew back? I wonder what is was about these extractions that allowed that, and if the correlating transplanted hairs grew in the recipient site.

[Arashi]

Are you saying with certainty that out of 105 extraction points, 10 hairs grew back?

No. What we're doing here is counting how many hairs were lost in donor and how many hairs have been added to the recipient. Currently we're counting donor loss. So far 105 extraction points of the 1400 have been analysed, so the other 1295 still need analysing, and then donor needs to be analysed and then we have an exact number on how well HASCI's HST works

So this will take a few weeks ....

[Arashi]

Almostundone, were are you mate, I have some time today to analyse some more

[AlmostUndone]

Hey, Arashi. I once did a complete check on the "extraction wounds" photos to see, if I had placed the circles correctly into the "before" pictures. I hope you don't have to deal with many errors. Here I will post the first half for the donor area:

BEFORE PROCEDURE

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81057175/left_side_final_98.jpg

BEFORE PROCEDURE (SOME ALTERNATIVE VIEWPOINTS, NO CIRCLES MADE YET):

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81057175/left_side_final_alternative_98.jpg

EXTRACTIONS:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81057175/Left_extractions97.jpg

EXTRACTIONS (AN ADDITIONAL VIEWPOINT):

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81057175/Left_extractions97%20-%20A16%20ADDITIONAL%20PICTURE.jpg

>3 MONTHS AFTER

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81057175/Left_3months.xcf

This is a Gimp file. You can easily make corrections to the circles, if you are using Gimp. If you would like me to convert it to JPEG for you, just let me know. (I have a readymade circle brush for GIMP, but for some reason, dropbox refuses to upload it)

[AlmostUndone]

If this would be the average result for "Almostundone" that would mean he had lost in total: 1400/104 * 96 = 1292 hairs. By analysing previous cases, we found that HASCi transplants on average 1.28 hairs/graft. So that would mean for the 800 grafts "Almostundone" had done, he would have gained 800 * 1.28 = 1024 hairs in recipient !! So no hair multiplication, but a net loss of 268 hairs !! Actually I don't think it will end up in such a huge loss, I think he might have a bit more hairs transplanted/graft AND/OR these 104 extraction points I analyzed contained more hairloss than the average extraction point

Also, that area was harvested quite near the end of the procedure. It may have been the nurse got better at making successful extractions towards the end.

[Arashi]

Cool, thanks mate ! I'll use gimp then. Going to the office right now, when I'm back I might have some time later.

[Arashi]

Hey, Arashi. I once did a complete check on the "extraction wounds" photos to see, if I had placed the circles correctly into the "before" pictures. I hope you don't have to deal with many errors.

Nope, your work was near perfect (only forgot one circle and another circle where a graft didnt grow back was misplaced slightly: circle for nr 3 in the 'after' photo should be bit more to the right but no problem there). Other than that, everything was flawless ! Great work ! And I'm happy to help out mate, excited about all this !!

[paleocapa89]

First, let me congratulate you guys on your meticulousness. This is how research should be done, and scammers (if they are) should be unmasked.

So if I understand this correctly, they are able to split multi hair grafts (that contains more than 1 hair) and transplant a part of it to the recipient while the other part hopefully regrows, basically making two 1hair grafts from a 2hair graft for example. So in a best case scenario, the number of hairs on top of ones head would say the same but the number of follicles would double? But they unavoidably will make some errors where some hairs are lost.

During the extraction do they take out the whole graft, split it and then put one part of it to the front and one part of it back to where it came from, or do they only extract half of the follicle. Does the extracted hair in the donor area fell first before it (if it does) regrows?

[Arashi]

First, let me congratulate you guys on your meticulousness. This is how research should be done, and scammers (if they are) should be unmasked.

So if I understand this correctly, they are able to split multi hair grafts (that contains more than 1 hair) and transplant a part of it to the recipient while the other part hopefully regrows, basically making two 1hair grafts from a 2hair graft for example. So in a best case scenario, the number of hairs on top of ones head would say the same but the number of follicles would double? But they unavoidably will make some errors where some hairs are lost.

During the extraction do they take out the whole graft, split it and then put one part of it to the front and one part of it back to where it came from, or do they only extract half of the follicle. Does the extracted hair in the donor area fell first before it (if it does) regrows?

Patience mate, soon we'll have answers But yeah I think the above is correct

@Almostundone: thanks, just downloaded the pics. So to be sure, the photo's above is were you're currently are, right ? So I can continue here ? Just analyzed some of the photo's, it's starting to make sense now how they fit into each other. One question though: I'm unfamiliar with Gimp, I just downloaded it, you said it's easy to move the circles, how do I move an exisiting circle ? And how do I add a new one ? Thanks !

[Arashi]

Ok I just finished mapping (=checking) the 2nd area: your circles were correctly placed. 49 extraction points, 48 hairs lost. Onto the next !

[AlmostUndone]

One question though: I'm unfamiliar with Gimp, I just downloaded it, you said it's easy to move the circles, how do I move an exisiting circle ? And how do I add a new one ?

You need a brush which is shaped like a circle. You can download the brush I used: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...irclebrush.gbr

I think you need to copy the brush file to Gimp's "Brushes" folder. You can find out this folder's location by looking at Preferences > Folders > Brushes. Copy the gbr-file into the folder like a normal file in your operating system. (According to GIMP help, "the brush search path includes two folders; the system brushes folder, which you should not use or alter, and the brushes folder inside your personal GIMP directory. And any GBR, GIH, or VBR file included in a folder in the brush search path will show up in the Brushes dialog the next time you start GIMP, or as soon as you press the Refresh button in the Brushes dialog.") The size of the brush can be altered freely, but its color cannot be changed.

My circles exist as a separate layer in all of the files. You'll be fine in GIMP by learning only four keyboard shortcuts: shortcuts for the toolbox window, the layer window, undo, and redo. Zoom in using the looking glass tool, or hold CTRL to zoom out. Be sure to use the latest version, as GIMP has some annoying bugs (such as the "tool settings" appearing gray all the time. If you have problems, I'll help you out). Maybe you can try importing or converting the Gimp-file to Photoshop or whatever photoeditor you are familiar with?

So to be sure, the photo's above is were you're currently are, right ? So I can continue here ?

The photos above should contain everything which is known of the left half of my donor area (ie. ranging between the occiput to the left sphenoid). I'll upload the right half after some minor improvements to its layout.

I haven't counted the lost hairs, but everything else is basically done. The red lines do not need anymore checking. The red lines represent borders of the best pictures in the "before" photos. All the visible hairs before the procedure are found in "left_side_final_98.jpg" and the upcoming "right_side_final_98.jpg". (The "left_side_final_alternative_98.jpg" is only a collection of some alternative viewpoints. And "98" refers to the jpeg quality.)

The ">3 months after" photos are maybe not in a very logical order. I should have checked once more to see, if I placed the circles correctly into the ">3 months after". Hopefully you'll be able to spot any possible errors.

[Arashi]

I decided to just export the picture as bmp and continue in paint like I did before. Anyway I analyzed 2 more sections, by drawing lines exactly as I did in the first area I posted. I only found 1 error you made, you forgot to place 1 circle. You work pretty neatly, very nice ! Anyway so in total so far I now have analysed 232 extraction points and I've registered 213 lost hairs in those extraction points.

so about 1/6th of total donor area has been analysed so far.

Anyway, I'll continue to work this week to get hopefully the whole left side done. Once the left side is done I'll upload and post my analysis as a whole.

What about recipient, did you have any chance to do some work there already ? I'd really love to do that soon too. Cause I'm predicting you'll see rougly 1200 new hairs in recipient (which means there's no regrowth at all of course).

[AlmostUndone]

What about recipient, did you have any chance to do some work there already ?

Not yet. I think recipient looks nicer now than it did only 2 months ago. I think they said 9 months, before all the recipient hairs would grow, and 9 months have now passed, but who knows... aren't there doctors who say it'll take 1 year? Still, composing the photos for recipient should be much faster and easier than for the donor (they only put hairs high in the temples, and none into the middle/forelock), and the existing photos are really good quality.

Thanks Arashi. I wanted to have my own analysis, also, but presently I find it hard to work uninterrupted for a long time.

[Arashi]

Not yet. I think recipient looks nicer now than it did only 2 months ago. I think they said 9 months, before all the recipient hairs would grow, and 9 months have now passed, but who knows... aren't there doctors who say it'll take 1 year? Still, composing the photos for recipient should be much faster and easier than for the donor (they only put hairs high in the temples, and none into the middle/forelock), and the existing photos are really good quality.

Thanks Arashi. I wanted to have my own analysis, also, but presently I find it hard to work uninterrupted for a long time.

Yeah you're right, recipient should be 9 months at least. Anyway let's first get donor analyzed then, will probably take a couple of weeks anyway. Done half way with the 4th area, will continue tomorrow, later