HASCI - -How well does it work? Now we'll be able to find out!

[Arashi]

Hmm, time is sure going fast, when one is constantly occupied. There has been lots of work concerning the HASCI-photos, too. But I shall be interested to hear what's Arashi's take on the photo set, which will be published before this week closes.

Nice !! Really looking forward to this. However keep in mind that HASCI just seems to split current FU's (which we confirmed via patient photo's) AND they have a lot of failed extractions usually (also verified several times in several patients). So you will see a lot hair grow back in the donor because of that combo of failed extractions + split FU's. This means it's impossible to conclude anything at all without having analysed both donor as recipient: only when we count how much hairs were lost in the donor and how much new hairs this yielded in recipient, we can form a conclusion.

Nevertheless, keep up the good work, really looking forward to it !

[AlmostUndone]

Nice !! Really looking forward to this. However keep in mind that HASCI just seems to split current FU's (which we confirmed via patient photo's) AND they have a lot of failed extractions usually (also verified several times in several patients). So you will see a lot hair grow back in the donor because of that combo of failed extractions + split FU's. This means it's impossible to conclude anything at all without having analysed both donor as recipient: only when we count how much hairs were lost in the donor and how much new hairs this yielded in recipient, we can form a conclusion.

Nevertheless, keep up the good work, really looking forward to it !

So recipient should be fully grown out at the 1 year mark, huh? That's 7 months to go. Anyways, here are the pictures as I promised. Hopefully there aren't any mistakes in need of correction.

Extractions:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81057175/Left_extractions97.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81057175/Right_extractions97.jpg

3< months after:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81057175/Left_3months97.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81057175/Right_3months97.jpg

[Arashi]

So recipient should be fully grown out at the 1 year mark, huh? That's 7 months to go. Anyways, here are the pictures as I promised. Hopefully there aren't any mistakes in need of correction.

Extractions:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81057175/Left_extractions97.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81057175/Right_extractions97.jpg

3< months after:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81057175/Left_3months97.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/..._3months97.jpg

Great work ! You're the type of guy that gets things done, I appreciate that. I was thinking, one interesting ballpoint figure might be this: we've seen that HASCI transplants way lower hairs/graft than others. In fact 1.3 hairs/graft seems to be about the average per session. I dont have any data on variance per patient, but an interesting prediction based on this number might be that you've lost 1.3 * your number of grafts, 800 in your case, hairs. So my prediction is that if you count just your donor loss, you'd have lost about 800 * 1.3 hairs = 1040 hairs !

Did you do any such counting of donor loss already ?

[AlmostUndone]

Did you do any such counting of donor loss already ?

Sorry. That's gonna have to wait for the, possibly a very distant, future if you're counting on me to do it. I haven't given it much thought, besides my intention to compose the rest of the material around the 1 year mark.

[Arashi]

Sorry. That's gonna have to wait for the, possibly a very distant, future if you're counting on me to do it. I haven't given it much thought, besides my intention to compose the rest of the material around the 1 year mark.

Ok. Well personally I don't care too much. We've seen the patient photo's where it was 100% certain that they took out the whole graft, unlike the story they're always telling of how they're splitting it and are supposed to leave stem cells behind. That's obviously not happening, so no regrowth is possible. We've seen Dean Saunders who had a depleted donor after 3 sessions and had a body hair transplant done because his donor was gone. So there's no doubt in my mind as to what the result will be. However it would have been nice to also prove this way that it's all a lie.

Anyway, thanks for your time.

[AlmostUndone]

Ok. Well personally I don't care too much. We've seen the patient photo's where it was 100% certain that they took out the whole graft, unlike the story they're always telling of how they're splitting it and are supposed to leave stem cells behind. That's obviously not happening, so no regrowth is possible. We've seen Dean Saunders who had a depleted donor after 3 sessions and had a body hair transplant done because his donor was gone. So there's no doubt in my mind as to what the result will be. However it would have been nice to also prove this way that it's all a lie.

Anyway, thanks for your time.

Right now I really really need to be concentrating on other things..... *Sigh* If you get sick of waiting, you can always try do your own analysis.

[AlmostUndone]

Hey everybody, almost 2016! It's been 7 months since my HASCI. And in case you all were wondering, just recently I got one step further and now the extracted grafts are all marked out on my "before" pictures. The job still needs to be one last time checked for errors, or someone *MIGHT* offer a little help with checking for errors, and then we're getting very close to knowing the grafts lost in the donor area.

For the 800 grafts they supposedly got, they made around 1400 or more donor holes. That means for 800 grafts, we have at least 1400 holes to compare between the "before"-pics and the "after"-pics. (However, some of these are certainly superficial wounds.) I wonder what the ratio has usually been in previous cases.

[Arashi]

Hey everybody, almost 2016! It's been 7 months since my HASCI. And in case you all were wondering, just recently I got one step further and now the extracted grafts are all marked out on my "before" pictures. The job still needs to be one last time checked for errors, or someone *MIGHT* offer a little help with checking for errors, and then we're getting very close to knowing the grafts lost in the donor area.

For the 800 grafts they supposedly got, they made around 1400 or more donor holes. That means for 800 grafts, we have at least 1400 holes to compare between the "before"-pics and the "after"-pics. (However, some of these are certainly superficial wounds.) I wonder what the ratio has usually been in previous cases.

My own ratio was about 20 drills for 12 extractions, so that's pretty much the same as your result. It's of course a key in the HASCI regrowth fable, people like Ironman on this site had mistaken failed extractions for the magic regrowth that HASCI promises.

[AlmostUndone]

My own ratio was about 20 drills for 12 extractions, so that's pretty much the same as your result. It's of course a key in the HASCI regrowth fable, people like Ironman on this site had mistaken failed extractions for the magic regrowth that HASCI promises.

Hey, fresh start right? Where is he?

[Arashi]

Hey, fresh start right? Where is he?

He left this site once he realised he was wrong about regrowth. I think he had 3 HST's so his donor had taken quite a visible hit.

[AlmostUndone]

He left this site once he realised he was wrong about regrowth. I think he had 3 HST's so his donor had taken quite a visible hit.

I doubt you heard that from a horse's mouth. In any case, I just now made some final refinements to the "before" image where there are markers placed over every extracted FU. There's possibly over 1500 circles, and that includes places which have been wounded but no hairs visibly removed. Some things still remain to be done:
+duplicating the markers (ie. circles) to the "after" image.
+counting the difference in hairs.
+photographing and making the comparison for the recipient site. The recipient site is much smaller than the donor and should be relatively easy to handle.

This might still take a while. Holiday season is over and then it's busy, busy, busy.

[Arashi]

I doubt you heard that from a horse's mouth.

Hehe I didnt, Ironman would never admit he was wrong. But since Dean Saunder's donor was completely depleted after 3 HST's and Ironman had also a prior FUT treatment, it could very well be that his donor was depleted too after 3 sessions (on average it would take 5-6 HST sessions for donor to deplete on normal, virgin scalps, based on my calculations). I think that's what happened and that's why he's stopped posting. But it's just speculation of course.

Anyway good luck with your endavour

[AlmostUndone]

This endavour quite labour-intensive. I finished today getting all the circles in place in the "3 months after" pictures, as well. Easiest way to count them is....... Hmmm, I'm still thinking about that bit.

[AlmostUndone]

Hoping to find a way to get this done, without wasting too much time, and achieve consistency as well. Anyone got suggestions?

Look, here's an example of an area, which can be counted: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...g_example1.jpg

[Arashi]

Hoping to find a way to get this done, without wasting too much time, and achieve consistency as well. Anyone got suggestions?

Look, here's an example of an area, which can be counted: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/...g_example1.jpg

Wow, really nice work mate ! From quickly looking it seems like the pattern we've seen all over before, a combo of failed extractions and split follicles.

Anyway if you want me to help out, just post a few more like these and I can count them and take over some of your work.