Debunking HASCI“s regeneration claim - an open letter.

[crafter]

Did you read my openings post ? If we look at the data, it looks like HASCI is lying too. Evidence points to the fact that regen is at least way lower than 80% and very well possibly 0.

They are more credible than Nigam, that's for sure, the people at HASCI are REAL doctors, they never photoshopped or did anything fraudulent at all. But evidence just points at the fact that their regen claim is not true.

just watched the video.

that's disappointing. Make's me wonder if hair regeneration is even possible as no one seems to have achieved it yet. We had so much hope for Nigam last month but now we're back to square one

[Arashi]

seems rather exciting then and more believable than Nigam.

Fingers crossed.

Did you read my openings post ? If we look at the data, it looks like HASCI is lying too. Evidence points to the fact that regen is at least way lower than 80% and very well possibly 0.

They are more credible than Nigam, that's for sure, the people at HASCI are REAL doctors, they never photoshopped or did anything fraudulent at all. But evidence just points at the fact that their regen claim is not true.

[crafter]

Here is THE question again - and THE answer ...

http://youtu.be/2d23nwLKHrg

The answer is basically correct, BUT provided that the extraction part ("Gho's method") has been perfect - and that CAN'T be always perfect due different factors (strange follicle angulation in the skin, human error, both, etc).

In simple words, the more extractions they need to get "perfect extractions" IN YOUR CASE (every case/patient is simply different), the lower will be the REAL and final (hair-)multiplication rate. That's all and that's how it works.

seems rather exciting then and more believable than Nigam.

Fingers crossed.

[Arashi]

but what about regeneration?

The fact that he's in Europe give Dr Gho a bit more credibility.

Hehe. Again, read the openings post man, it tells you all you should know (and all we currently know).

[crafter]

Hehe, read the openingspost of this thread. In short: at least in gc83uk's case he didn't seem to get the kind of regrowth Hasci is promising their clients. However it's still a scarless procedure and therefore together with dr Wesley's procedure currently the only 2 options if you want it scarless.

but what about regeneration?

The fact that he's in Europe give Dr Gho a bit more credibility.

[Arashi]

does Dr Gho's method really work?

Hehe, read the openingspost of this thread. In short: at least in gc83uk's case he didn't seem to get the kind of regrowth Hasci is promising their clients. However it's still a scarless procedure and therefore together with dr Wesley's procedure currently the only 2 options if you want it scarless.

[534623]

does Dr Gho's method really work?

Here is THE question again - and THE answer ...

http://youtu.be/2d23nwLKHrg

The answer is basically correct, BUT provided that the extraction part ("Gho's method") has been perfect - and that CAN'T be always perfect due different factors (strange follicle angulation in the skin, human error, both, etc).

In simple words, the more extractions they need to get "perfect extractions" IN YOUR CASE (every case/patient is simply different), the lower will be the REAL and final (hair-)multiplication rate. That's all and that's how it works.

[crafter]

does Dr Gho's method really work?

[censur]

Incidentally, what happened about all the HT surgeons supposedly being trained in the HST procedure, and all the clinics supposedly becoming licencees?

Good question! I am also wondering about this!

It seems as if they have expanded to Austria and Indonesia now.
Are there other already established HT-surgeons beeing trained in this technique?

[Pentarou]

Incidentally, what happened about all the hair transplant surgeons supposedly being trained to carry out the HST procedure, and all the clinics supposedly becoming licencees?

[NeedHairASAP]

no, I received the answer that Gho choice or politic is to ignore forums reactions and bashers (cause it's a neverending story).

My mails were forwarded to Gho by Pierre,the french correspondent... but never received a reply.

This Pierre just shared his own personal view and told me that he talked with technicians who treated the 9HST case and that it was not a lie...ok but do we have to take words for granted (I can also bring a paper saying that I paid you 9400 euros, you will still need my money)

So again, no picture, I said picture would be far more eloquent then anything... we say the same to Nigam.


It did not help, the debunking and the counter-study of Arashi was never mentioned, and Arashi is rather considered obsessive and not constructive.


So, voilą, same thing, same story, you take their words or you just go to hell.

Still, I don't know what to think, I am less confident in them, but I would not bash, because we don't really know and GC case is a successful case... to me.
I said to Pierre that eventough I will still consider them as the only option in 2013, which is true, their communication sucks at a certain level.

and I guess, this 85% regeneration will remain a mystery.


This experiment stopped me from rushing to them for multiple session which I was ready for.... I have the budget for another five or six sessions, easy... but I was disappointed by the answers and the lack of real evidence that would have shut everybody's mouth here (which I really hope they would bring).

Anyway, I'm on hold, if I need another and there is nothing else cutting edge, I would still vote for them.... but ignoring or eluding some crucial questions was again, not fair from them.


Up to optimistic to trust, pessimistic to bash and neutral to wait and see. (I used to be very very optimistic, I became neutral, bashing is no option for me, I don't trust they would run something so big and official out of lie and fraud, they would have gone bankrupt since a while)

As a former HASCI patient, I concur on everything you said. I'm happy with my result, but wondering about all the controversy and silence.

If my hairloss forces me to make another move before nigam is confirmed... I will go to HASCI again.

[caddarik79]

no, I received the answer that Gho choice or politic is to ignore forums reactions and bashers (cause it's a neverending story).

My mails were forwarded to Gho by Pierre,the french correspondent... but never received a reply.

This Pierre just shared his own personal view and told me that he talked with technicians who treated the 9HST case and that it was not a lie...ok but do we have to take words for granted (I can also bring a paper saying that I paid you 9400 euros, you will still need my money)

So again, no picture, I said picture would be far more eloquent then anything... we say the same to Nigam.


It did not help, the debunking and the counter-study of Arashi was never mentioned, and Arashi is rather considered obsessive and not constructive.


So, voilà, same thing, same story, you take their words or you just go to hell.

Still, I don't know what to think, I am less confident in them, but I would not bash, because we don't really know and GC case is a successful case... to me.
I said to Pierre that eventough I will still consider them as the only option in 2013, which is true, their communication sucks at a certain level.

and I guess, this 85% regeneration will remain a mystery.


This experiment stopped me from rushing to them for multiple session which I was ready for.... I have the budget for another five or six sessions, easy... but I was disappointed by the answers and the lack of real evidence that would have shut everybody's mouth here (which I really hope they would bring).

Anyway, I'm on hold, if I need another and there is nothing else cutting edge, I would still vote for them.... but ignoring or eluding some crucial questions was again, not fair from them.


Up to optimistic to trust, pessimistic to bash and neutral to wait and see. (I used to be very very optimistic, I became neutral, bashing is no option for me, I don't trust they would run something so big and official out of lie and fraud, they would have gone bankrupt since a while)

[censur]

Yes I did, and also mentioned that competition starts to be serious!!!

Reading and listening to Mwamba interview with Spencer, times are promising... we are entering a new Era for hair treatment!!!


as soon as I have a reply if I got one, I will let you know!!!

I respect hasci but I said to Pierre that their silence on some questions or situations are not at their advantage.... which is true even if today 17/09/2013 I still don't know what to think about all these controversial things about them.

Caddarik, have you heard anything at all from Hasci yet?
They really need to comment on this!

[534623]

I do have one question though;
how many times does HASCI claim an HST can be performed?

You mean without any visible signs in the donor?

Regardless of whether or not a patient has either a very low or an exceptional dense donor before having any HT, in any case: 1-2 times.

Thereafter, they simply can NOT guarantee you anymore, that you will see "absolutely nothing"; especially, IF you intend to shave your head down to the bone - that's at least what they immediately told me during my first phone call last year. But indeed:
Try to imagine a guy with a rather low donor density, and they extract just around 1000 grafts; now let's say 30% of these 1000 extraction sites will not produce any HAIR-regeneration - that creates already around 300 hairless gaps, and that can be huge already for such guys (guys with a very very low donor density).

[NeedHairASAP]

Compilation of Nigam Claims and Results

Nigam has been around the forum for some time now.

I feel we should use this thread to compile his results and his claims.

Please don't insert your hopes, assumptions, or guesses....results and quotations of nigams only (w proper links)

I will go through nigams online discussion history later, anybody else who has time should do the same.