Debunking HASCI´s regeneration claim - an open letter.

[Arashi]

Obviously if he goes for FUE then he'll have scarring and of course no regrowth guaranteed.

What he wants is to be able to have:

Regrowth in the donor
at least 2 hairs per FU
and no scarring.

Thanks GC, it's obvious you understand things This is indeed what I seek. The amount of hair per FU is even the least important. If we'd have independent proof that regeneration really occured, I could live with less hair/graft. Cause that's only a matter of costs (making the operation even twice more expensive). And luckily for me money isn't really a factor.

[gc83uk]

No - that's not the point. Arashi says in multiple posts and threads "that HASCI seems to transplant way less hair than with a regular FUE". That means 1) he is not satisfied and 2) HASCI is shit. That brings automatically the question up - why the ****ing hell he doesn't buy "a regular FUE"?????
He is thinking that "a regular FUE" will give him more hair per graft. That's nice. So why doesn't he buy one? What's the problem? That's the point and THE question ...

Obviously if he goes for FUE then he'll have scarring and of course no regrowth guaranteed.

What he wants is to be able to have:

Regrowth in the donor
at least 2 hairs per FU in the recip (relevant to whats extracted)
and no scarring in the donor

[534623]

I would have thought that is obvious. The only way he could do that is by having FUE or FUT, who in their right mind would get FUE or FUT?

No - that's not the point. Arashi says in multiple posts and threads "that HASCI seems to transplant way less hair than with a regular FUE". That means 1) he is not satisfied and 2) HASCI is shit.

That brings automatically the question up - why the ****ing hell he doesn't buy "a regular FUE"?????
He is thinking that "a regular FUE" will give him more hair per graft. That's nice. So why doesn't he buy one? What's the problem? That's the point and THE question ...

[gc83uk]

Could you please ask Arashi why he don't buy a "more hair per graft procedure" in another clinic? Thanks in advance!

I would have thought that is obvious. The only way he could do that is by having FUE or FUT, who in their right mind would get FUE or FUT?

[Arashi]

Yeah, that's what I did. And you're the one who is just trying to going around serious questions with "ha ha ha posts" ...



Where is the answer?

I told you that if you want to debate, I only will do so if you show the decency to at least act like a grown up man and not use terms like 'shit' and 'idiots'. I'm not going to reply if you do, I just report your posts to Winston instead. Until he finally puts you in moderation queue (cause that what you seem to need cause you just don't change) and we can have a civil discussion here, like grown ups.

[534623]

Haha and now Ironman is trying to make a case ...

Yeah, that's what I did. And you're the one who is just trying to going around serious questions with "ha ha ha posts" ...

pffffffft ... "HASCI seems to transplant way less hair than with a regular FUE" yeah, sure "more hair per graft" is important ...sure ...

Anyway, ARASHI, could you please be so kind and tell "the people" (please not me!) who still read your SHIT, why you (as well as the idiot KRUGER on haarweb.nl) don't buy a nicely "more hair per grafts" procedure in another clinic ? Why don't you buy one??

Where is the answer?

gc or any other guy:
Could you please ask Arashi why he don't buy a "more hair per graft procedure" in another clinic? Thanks in advance!

[gc83uk]

He said on 'that other forum' that he'd start monday. I assume he'll post everything soon online

OK it must be another patient then.

he said:
"kindly post on tbt, the first patient who had agreed to document his nw status transformation. he is a sofware engineer from pune, he will be getting married in february. he is ready to come once a month in my clinic, he has satisfactory knowledge of photography, we have already done doubling of few grafts on him, his donor is very poor. these pictures are sent by patient1 month back, after that we have done doubling of approximately 3000 grafts doubling on him. to follow this case is good we can save time. let me know if the members are ok for nw transformation in 1 among the 5 nw 6/7 to be chosen.
more patients pic will be sent to u in three four days. more pictures of the patient will be sent to you."

[Arashi]

Well I think that's what it's about. It was me that asked him to do it if you remember.

He said on 'that other forum' that he'd start monday. I assume he'll post everything soon online

[gc83uk]

Nigams will start soon with his NW7 -> NW1 conversion. I think as of monday. I'm certainly going to watch that ! So let's focus on that.

Well I think that's what it's about. It was me that asked him to do it if you remember.

[Arashi]

Haha and now Ironman is trying to make a case why it doesn't matter that you get only half the hair with HASCI. Nice one IM ! I hope your happy with your thin recipient !

[Arashi]

I tried to tell you a couple of days ago I've got a load of emails from Nigam on a new patient. Do you want me to forward them to you?

I've not opened them because I just can't be bothered at the moment. That doesn't mean I don't care, just felt really drowsey and tired all week tbh.

Nigams will start soon with his NW7 -> NW1 conversion. I think as of monday. I'm certainly going to watch that ! So let's focus on that.

[gc83uk]

It's just extremely disappointing. There we were, thinking Gho had a cure. It now seems it most probably isn't. We can focus on Mwamba but that would be like believing in Nigams and that's even harder to do My best bet always has been Mousseigne. They showed us incredible good documentation. They were extremely fair, never made bold claims that they couldn't support with evidence. However they've been dead silent for months now .. It just seems this whole theory on donor regeneration might just not work at all. And that's just depressing.

I tried to tell you a couple of days ago I've got a load of emails from Nigam on a new patient. Do you want me to forward them to you?

I've not opened them because I just can't be bothered at the moment. That doesn't mean I don't care, just felt really drowsey and tired all week tbh.

[534623]

GC, your donor indeed wasn't too good to begin with. But keep in mind when comparing HASCI's graft to regular FUE grafts that HASCI seems to transplant way less hair than with a regular FUE.

Other clinics can TRANSPLANT grafts
(rather so-called "skin/hair-plugs") ...



...with more hair/follicles as much as they want and finally, they can give a layman "nice and accurate graft-breakdowns" as much as they want ...



... the patient simply doesn't know how much of these grafts (aka "more hair per graft"), which they showed him with nice "graft-breakdowns" before implantation, will SURVIVE at all! That means, they can SHOW a patient a nice number of e.g. lots of 3-hair grafts, sure, but how many of these 3-hair grafts, which they showed a patient via a "graft breakdown" produced indeed 3-hair grafts (or more) in the recipient?

That has always been, and still is, the "dirty secret" in the hair transplant industry! But read the reasons for this problem straight from the experts ...

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http://www.bernsteinmedical.com/resources/guide-to-hair-restoration/chapter-8-follicular-unit-transplantation/

Snippet ...
Maximizing Growth

The follicular unit is a physiologic entity, rather than just an anatomic one. It is more than a tiny bundle of hair. It is a living structure, complete with nerves, blood vessels and a protective collagen sheath. When follicular units are transplanted intact, the surrounding tissue serves to protect them from drying and from mechanical injury during the placing process [as well as EXTRACTION PROCESS!]. It has been observed that when hair grafts were obtained by breaking up the naturally occurring follicular units, their growth was less than when the follicular units were kept intact. Keeping the structure whole, will increase the chance that all of the hair in the follicular unit will grow.
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A "more hair per graft" procedure/hair transplant including a nice "graft breakdown" for the patient - doesn't really help a patient! They can transplant multi-hair-grafts as much as they want and they can show a patient nice graft-breakdowns as much as they want - it simply doesn't help a patient, because the patient, as well as the doc himself, who performed the procedure, is practically UNABLE to verify any shown and given "graft-breakdown" in terms of an accurate examined "YIELD-review procedure". Everything they do after 9-12 month is a "looking procedure", namely, whether or not any hair grew at all and "how much" hair - period, that's it. The patient simply doesn't know how much of the nicely shown and transplanted 3-hair or 4-hair grafts survived at all or whether or not the produced 3-hair or 4-hair grafts again. An uncertain and rather BIG number of these multis produce a rather lower number of hairs per graft. In simple words - the patient ended finally up with the majority of 1-hair and or 2-hair grafts in the recipient. Therefore, most clinics try to "camouflage" these FACTS, and simply transplant as much grafts as they can so that still a certain number of growing grafts and hair will still provide the patient some measure of "satisfaction".

And there is another BIG problem with "more hair per graft":


More hair per graft simply doesn't help a patient, when the patient simply doesn't have "more hair per graft" in his donor area ...

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Patient 1:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/album.php?albumid=465

Donor density of ~ 96-104 FU/cm2

1499 FUE extractions

* 674 single hair FU
* 825 double hair FU

Extraction performed with a 0,95 mm FUE punch
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Patient 2:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?p=91153#post91153

Occipital donor density of ~ 80-90 FU/cm2

3112 FUE extractions within 2 days

* 735 single hair FU
* 2106 double hair FU
* 271 triple hair FU

Extraction performed with a 0,9 mm FUE punch
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Discussion
Patient 1 is a normal young and healthy patient with an extraordinarily high donor density. Why just 1-hair and 2-hair grafts? And why didn’t he extract at least more 2-hair grafts instead of so many 1-hair grafts with a 0.95 punch from a patient with such a great and virgin donor density?

Patient 2 is also a normal young, healthy and virgin patient with a pretty good donor density.
Why just 271 triple grafts? What happens if this patient needs more than 1 procedure?
Is Dr. Feriduni or any other doctor still able to extract again 271 triple hair grafts with a 0.9 mm punch from this patients’ donor area?

For both patients: Would it make sense to count, to know and to provide these patients the extraction data? Actually, I think YES, because in such a case we would know why a guy like you is crying like a baby.

In such cases, I think it would be FAR more wisely, to do HST, try to extract the best grafts in the 1st procedure, let the donor area regenerate and do a 2nd procedure - right?
The only difference would be only 9-12 month away to reach the same goal as with just 1 normal FUE procedure - and NO LONG LASTING REDNESS!
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pffffffft ... "HASCI seems to transplant way less hair than with a regular FUE" yeah, sure "more hair per graft" is important ...sure ...

Anyway, ARASHI, could you please be so kind and tell "the people" (please not me!) who still read your SHIT, why you (as well as the idiot KRUGER on haarweb.nl) don't buy a nicely "more hair per grafts" procedure in another clinic ? Why don't you buy one??

[Arashi]

Yea pretty much, you must admit it's getting a bit boring. Not in a nasty way to you, you're a likeable person and you've done your best.

Chin up

It's just extremely disappointing. There we were, thinking Gho had a cure. It now seems it most probably isn't. We can focus on Mwamba but that would be like believing in Nigams and that's even harder to do My best bet always has been Mousseigne. They showed us incredible good documentation. They were extremely fair, never made bold claims that they couldn't support with evidence. However they've been dead silent for months now .. It just seems this whole theory on donor regeneration might just not work at all. And that's just depressing.

[gc83uk]

I don't know what I want you to say. My point is, we did everything we possibly could do. We asked them to run tests. They didn't really participate (they never showed us good photo's). We went as far as putting in tons of effort to analyze your case. It showed us regeneration at least in your case was bad. I'm really not sure what to do next but just forget about Gho ?

Yea pretty much, you must admit it's getting a bit boring. Not in a nasty way to you, you're a likeable person and you've done your best.

Chin up