HST reply - claims of 6-8 HSTs

[didi]

what dr gho does is he transects 2 hair follicle and calls it 1 hair graft....
of course 1 will grw in donor and other will grow in recipient...people get excited...
but recipient alwys look thin and its only good for shaving

but his HSTs got nothing to do with stem cell transplant and hair multiplication..that part is hoax

dr Wesley will deliver truly scarless HT with fut yield, its only 6 months away..
then we have dr nigam and his work looks promising

[Cookie]

Can HST use facial hair, side burn, neck, pubic hair, which regeneration is not an issue.

[PayDay]

If what he's doing is FUE with minimal/no scarring, then it's great, but Gho has always been trumpeted as a guy who was giving unlimited donor yadda yadda, and how his technique will make transplants obsolete.

I understand the former, but the latter is what we've been pitched on forums.

This has always been the most misleading part of all discussions about Gho on all of the forums. It's unfortunate because the younger, impressional guys have blindly believed these types of false claims and think that Gho is the answer to their prayers.

It is great to see a mature, rational discussion about Gho. This is something that has always been lacking in the past.

I personally do not think Dr. Gho offers a great option for those who have a good donor area and want a really good hair transplant. That's just my opinion based on all of the real evidence, not inflated opinions or hype about the procedure.

I do not believe there is anything close to 85% donor regeneration and if there was there would be many cases presented on the internet since Gho has been around for such a long time.

His results just don't seem to compare to a great FUE and as shown in this thread, when done right, visible scaring can be very minimal, so if anything HST should be reserved for later procedures to get more coverage with less of a chance of increasing any visible scaring on the scalp, not for the first few procedures.

I would think having a balance of visibly insignificant donor scaring and a fuller head of hair would be the ideal scenario and trump what Gho is offering at this time. Now if someone has a very limited donor and is turned away by the best FUE doctors, this is a different story.

[greatjob!]

Those results seem reasonable, but if the wind blew I wonder what's under those long hairs be good to see a shorter hair cut.

The shaving the head thing... Lets say you have 6000 grafts via FUE/FUT and your a happy man for 10 years or so, great! But the time may come when you need more grafts because you've lost more native hair perhaps in the crown or hair line, your out of luck now because you're out of donor. Not only do you now have 2 horns either side of your forelock area, but you can't shave your head either because of the worry of what lies beneath in terms of scars.

Those FUE pics of the donor are some of the better photos, but I can still see white FUE scars, with the exception of the 1st photo as it's a bit far away.

Anyways, makes a change to have a relaxed conversation over here. At the end of the day we all want the same thing!

I completely understand I was just putting up some examples to try and balance out the debate from the other extreme side of the argument. Like most things poitics, religion ect. there are usually two extreme ends of the debate that are most vocal with the truth lying somewhere in the middle.

I am the first to admit that high graft count FUE procedures like I have shown are not the norm, shit I couldn't get anywhere near 5000 grafts from my donor via FUE, I just wanted to show what they looked like. And also I wouldn't count on being able to shave down to a zero guard with FUE, but it is possible.

I will never argue that hst isn't the least invasive no scarring option out there, but until they prove me wrong their results in the recipient area are sorely lacking and their 85% donor regeneration figure has yet to be proven true. I really hope you are the guy who proves this all true and gets a home run result!

[garethbale]

Yeah. I saw a completely bald bloke in the pub the other day. He had had a hair transplant and there was a sparse array of hairs around his hairline, and a nasty scar stretching across the back of his head which looked awful.

We started debating football, he was quite ignorant and patronising and generally doing my head in.

I was almost ready to rip into him about his ridiculous looking transplant! I could have destroyed him but I reckon he would have hit me. Haha

[gc83uk]

This is a very honest and intelligent assessment of the procedure. My point with Dr. Gho is that the only main benefit that everyone proclaims is that you can shave to the bone, and with most of his results you would be required to shave to the bone because they don't look that great. A hair transplant is about having hair not shaving your head, if you want to shave your head then save you money and just shave your head.

Those results seem reasonable, but if the wind blew I wonder what's under those long hairs be good to see a shorter hair cut.

The shaving the head thing... Lets say you have 6000 grafts via FUE/FUT and your a happy man for 10 years or so, great! But the time may come when you need more grafts because you've lost more native hair perhaps in the crown or hair line, your out of luck now because you're out of donor. Not only do you now have 2 horns either side of your forelock area, but you can't shave your head either because of the worry of what lies beneath in terms of scars.

Those FUE pics of the donor are some of the better photos, but I can still see white FUE scars, with the exception of the 1st photo as it's a bit far away.

Anyways, makes a change to have a relaxed conversation over here. At the end of the day we all want the same thing!

[KO1]

^That makes a lot of sense, he will bisect one follicle and implant it and count it as one graft, but compared to FUE which can move doubles and triples, it will only look half as dense.

[greatjob!]

Look up jose lorenzo, hakan doganay, or erdogan.

Secondly, it's not obvious Saunders was a NW7, he shaved his head very closely, and it is impossible to tell.

Thirdly, if Gho was really multiplying hairs, then simply, it would not matter what Saunders' original state was, he'd have a lot of hair growing on his head. To say "this is the best possible results" is moving goalposts.


If he was truly multiplying hairs, there would be no debate, the result would speak for itself.

I still think Gho is splitting hairs, and will continue to believe so until I see some of these people who have had 6-8 hst procedures with 10,000+ grafts. That is why his results appear so thin when compared to traditional transplants of the same graft count, because his transplants only contain 1-2 hair grafts. His results look very similar to strip patients who have an unusually low number of multi-hair grafts.

[greatjob!]

Guys you keep talking about how gho procedures dont look impressive on dean and how other fue surgeons do better.

Can you guys please show me a "better" 5k grafts fue on a nw max like dean saunders, that can shave to the bone too

@gc
you mentionned you will be reaching 6k grafts with the next procedure, what were the graft counts with your previous hst's.

Here are three examples all from the same doctor. I would upload more but I don't have all day to do so.

6381 FUE Dr. Lorenzo:







I really don't see the need to shave down if you have results like this, I mean what is the point of spending $30,000 on a hair transplant so you can shave your head? Shaving your head is free. While I will give you the fact that hst is the least scarring option, there are varying degrees of scarring with FUE, not just the worst case scenario that Ironman posts daily. So here are two examples of good FUE scarring:

4200 grafts via FUE:



3489 grafts via FUE:



And of course it can be not quite so good like this guy:

That's right in a sense. However the way I see it, Gho doesn't do mega sessions, never has done, never will.

Gho is just about reducing/eliminating scarring in the donor area with 'some' regrowth in the donor IMHO.

That is a major step forward and should be celebrated as an advancement of sorts. It's not directly comparable to Hasson and Wong, if you've got good donor then there is no need to even consider Gho. Why would you? Just go and get your 10,000 FUT from H&W and move on. It's almost as if Gho is vilified for not giving H&W standards with 85% donor regrowth. If that's what you're looking for then forget it.

I would advise people to consider Gho, who have been rejected from other clinics, people with less than average donor or want to have the option of shaving at a later date, this latter reason is reassuring for people that worry about losing more hair in the future...
I should also add people who have suffered burns on the scalp and alike would be treatable by Gho, I have no idea if other surgeon operate on burns!

My biggest concern with using a normal clinic, was what happens after I've depleted my donor using FUE or FUT and my hair loss develops into a NW6 or 7 pattern? I wouldn't want to shave because of the scars, so it was catch 22 and Gho was the only solution for me and maybe others.

There are more doctors discussing donor regrowth now and being proactive, so if Gho is not for you I'm sure they'll be plenty of options with the likes of Dr Nigam, Dr Wesleys Pilofocus, Dr Mousseigne to name a few.

This is a very honest and intelligent assessment of the procedure. My point with Dr. Gho is that the only main benefit that everyone proclaims is that you can shave to the bone, and with most of his results you would be required to shave to the bone because they don't look that great. A hair transplant is about having hair not shaving your head, if you want to shave your head then save you money and just shave your head.

[KO1]

You definitely shouldn't believe everything you read on a forum

It's a bit more than FUE with no scarring, there is definitely a regrowth element, the figures are up for debate still!

Fair enough then, it's good that Drs like Wesley are coming up with a device to do this, and their claims seem to match up with what you say.

[gc83uk]

Guys you keep talking about how gho procedures dont look impressive on dean and how other fue surgeons do better.

Can you guys please show me a "better" 5k grafts fue on a nw max like dean saunders, that can shave to the bone too

@gc
you mentionned you will be reaching 6k grafts with the next procedure, what were the graft counts with your previous hst's.

So far I've had 3000, with -1400-1600 planned this Sept with a similar around May-June next year, taking me to about 6000.

[gc83uk]

If what he's doing is FUE with minimal/no scarring, then it's great, but Gho has always been trumpeted as a guy who was giving unlimited donor yadda yadda, and how his technique will make transplants obsolete.

I understand the former, but the latter is what we've been pitched on forums.

You definitely shouldn't believe everything you read on a forum

It's a bit more than FUE with no scarring, there is definitely a regrowth element, the figures are up for debate still!

[KO1]

Guys you keep talking about how gho procedures dont look impressive on dean and how other fue surgeons do better.

Can you guys please show me a "better" 5k grafts fue on a nw max like dean saunders, that can shave to the bone too

@gc
you mentionned you will be reaching 6k grafts with the next procedure, what were the graft counts with your previous hst's.

Look up jose lorenzo, hakan doganay, or erdogan.

Secondly, it's not obvious Saunders was a NW7, he shaved his head very closely, and it is impossible to tell.

Thirdly, if Gho was really multiplying hairs, then simply, it would not matter what Saunders' original state was, he'd have a lot of hair growing on his head. To say "this is the best possible results" is moving goalposts.


If he was truly multiplying hairs, there would be no debate, the result would speak for itself.

[KO1]

If what he's doing is FUE with minimal/no scarring, then it's great, but Gho has always been trumpeted as a guy who was giving unlimited donor yadda yadda, and how his technique will make transplants obsolete.

I understand the former, but the latter is what we've been pitched on forums.

[cocacola]

Guys you keep talking about how gho procedures dont look impressive on dean and how other fue surgeons do better.

Can you guys please show me a "better" 5k grafts fue on a nw max like dean saunders, that can shave to the bone too

@gc
you mentionned you will be reaching 6k grafts with the next procedure, what were the graft counts with your previous hst's.