HST reply - claims of 6-8 HSTs

[KO1]

I don't believe it is monetary investment. Whenever somebody has a good result with a doc, they seem to develop an emotional investment in him, and become an unofficial supporter on the forums.

IM takes it to another level.

[ryan555]

Not only are there no high-graft results, the results they do have don't look particularly fantastic. Go look at the work of Shapiro/Hasson and Wong/Rahal/etc and show me any results from Gho that come close to what they do.

[garethbale]

Your posts used to make me feel confident in HST and Gho.. but more and more I realize you're not objective and must have some sort of monetary investment in them.

Of course he's not objective. Asking IM to criticise Gho is like asking the Pope to denounce Christianity!

You could tell IM the sky was blue and he'd try to argue with you.

[greatjob!]

I don't believe it is monetary investment. Whenever somebody has a good result with a doc, they seem to develop an emotional investment in him, and become an unofficial supporter on the forums.

IM takes it to another level.

I have never quite understood that phenomenon. I mean I could understand someone making outrageous accusations about your doctor and then coming to their defense, but the undying allegiance is really weird. I mean in reality the only thing you owe the doctor is the money you pay them for their service, after that your obligation to the doctor is satisfied.

[KO1]

I think the depression inherent in hairloss pushes people to find a "savior", sometimes if the savior doesn't live up to the standards, then people become very pessimistic.

[gc83uk]

Not only are there no high-graft results, the results they do have don't look particularly fantastic. Go look at the work of Shapiro/Hasson and Wong/Rahal/etc and show me any results from Gho that come close to what they do.

That's right in a sense. However the way I see it, Gho doesn't do mega sessions, never has done, never will.

Gho is just about reducing/eliminating scarring in the donor area with 'some' regrowth in the donor IMHO.

That is a major step forward and should be celebrated as an advancement of sorts. It's not directly comparable to Hasson and Wong, if you've got good donor then there is no need to even consider Gho. Why would you? Just go and get your 10,000 FUT from H&W and move on. It's almost as if Gho is vilified for not giving H&W standards with 85% donor regrowth. If that's what you're looking for then forget it.

I would advise people to consider Gho, who have been rejected from other clinics, people with less than average donor or want to have the option of shaving at a later date, this latter reason is reassuring for people that worry about losing more hair in the future...
I should also add people who have suffered burns on the scalp and alike would be treatable by Gho, I have no idea if other surgeon operate on burns!

My biggest concern with using a normal clinic, was what happens after I've depleted my donor using FUE or FUT and my hair loss develops into a NW6 or 7 pattern? I wouldn't want to shave because of the scars, so it was catch 22 and Gho was the only solution for me and maybe others.

There are more doctors discussing donor regrowth now and being proactive, so if Gho is not for you I'm sure they'll be plenty of options with the likes of Dr Nigam, Dr Wesleys Pilofocus, Dr Mousseigne to name a few.

[cocacola]

Guys you keep talking about how gho procedures dont look impressive on dean and how other fue surgeons do better.

Can you guys please show me a "better" 5k grafts fue on a nw max like dean saunders, that can shave to the bone too

@gc
you mentionned you will be reaching 6k grafts with the next procedure, what were the graft counts with your previous hst's.

[KO1]

If what he's doing is FUE with minimal/no scarring, then it's great, but Gho has always been trumpeted as a guy who was giving unlimited donor yadda yadda, and how his technique will make transplants obsolete.

I understand the former, but the latter is what we've been pitched on forums.

[KO1]

Guys you keep talking about how gho procedures dont look impressive on dean and how other fue surgeons do better.

Can you guys please show me a "better" 5k grafts fue on a nw max like dean saunders, that can shave to the bone too

@gc
you mentionned you will be reaching 6k grafts with the next procedure, what were the graft counts with your previous hst's.

Look up jose lorenzo, hakan doganay, or erdogan.

Secondly, it's not obvious Saunders was a NW7, he shaved his head very closely, and it is impossible to tell.

Thirdly, if Gho was really multiplying hairs, then simply, it would not matter what Saunders' original state was, he'd have a lot of hair growing on his head. To say "this is the best possible results" is moving goalposts.


If he was truly multiplying hairs, there would be no debate, the result would speak for itself.

[gc83uk]

If what he's doing is FUE with minimal/no scarring, then it's great, but Gho has always been trumpeted as a guy who was giving unlimited donor yadda yadda, and how his technique will make transplants obsolete.

I understand the former, but the latter is what we've been pitched on forums.

You definitely shouldn't believe everything you read on a forum

It's a bit more than FUE with no scarring, there is definitely a regrowth element, the figures are up for debate still!

[gc83uk]

Guys you keep talking about how gho procedures dont look impressive on dean and how other fue surgeons do better.

Can you guys please show me a "better" 5k grafts fue on a nw max like dean saunders, that can shave to the bone too

@gc
you mentionned you will be reaching 6k grafts with the next procedure, what were the graft counts with your previous hst's.

So far I've had 3000, with -1400-1600 planned this Sept with a similar around May-June next year, taking me to about 6000.

[KO1]

You definitely shouldn't believe everything you read on a forum

It's a bit more than FUE with no scarring, there is definitely a regrowth element, the figures are up for debate still!

Fair enough then, it's good that Drs like Wesley are coming up with a device to do this, and their claims seem to match up with what you say.

[greatjob!]

Guys you keep talking about how gho procedures dont look impressive on dean and how other fue surgeons do better.

Can you guys please show me a "better" 5k grafts fue on a nw max like dean saunders, that can shave to the bone too

@gc
you mentionned you will be reaching 6k grafts with the next procedure, what were the graft counts with your previous hst's.

Here are three examples all from the same doctor. I would upload more but I don't have all day to do so.

6381 FUE Dr. Lorenzo:







I really don't see the need to shave down if you have results like this, I mean what is the point of spending $30,000 on a hair transplant so you can shave your head? Shaving your head is free. While I will give you the fact that hst is the least scarring option, there are varying degrees of scarring with FUE, not just the worst case scenario that Ironman posts daily. So here are two examples of good FUE scarring:

4200 grafts via FUE:



3489 grafts via FUE:



And of course it can be not quite so good like this guy:

That's right in a sense. However the way I see it, Gho doesn't do mega sessions, never has done, never will.

Gho is just about reducing/eliminating scarring in the donor area with 'some' regrowth in the donor IMHO.

That is a major step forward and should be celebrated as an advancement of sorts. It's not directly comparable to Hasson and Wong, if you've got good donor then there is no need to even consider Gho. Why would you? Just go and get your 10,000 FUT from H&W and move on. It's almost as if Gho is vilified for not giving H&W standards with 85% donor regrowth. If that's what you're looking for then forget it.

I would advise people to consider Gho, who have been rejected from other clinics, people with less than average donor or want to have the option of shaving at a later date, this latter reason is reassuring for people that worry about losing more hair in the future...
I should also add people who have suffered burns on the scalp and alike would be treatable by Gho, I have no idea if other surgeon operate on burns!

My biggest concern with using a normal clinic, was what happens after I've depleted my donor using FUE or FUT and my hair loss develops into a NW6 or 7 pattern? I wouldn't want to shave because of the scars, so it was catch 22 and Gho was the only solution for me and maybe others.

There are more doctors discussing donor regrowth now and being proactive, so if Gho is not for you I'm sure they'll be plenty of options with the likes of Dr Nigam, Dr Wesleys Pilofocus, Dr Mousseigne to name a few.

This is a very honest and intelligent assessment of the procedure. My point with Dr. Gho is that the only main benefit that everyone proclaims is that you can shave to the bone, and with most of his results you would be required to shave to the bone because they don't look that great. A hair transplant is about having hair not shaving your head, if you want to shave your head then save you money and just shave your head.

[greatjob!]

Look up jose lorenzo, hakan doganay, or erdogan.

Secondly, it's not obvious Saunders was a NW7, he shaved his head very closely, and it is impossible to tell.

Thirdly, if Gho was really multiplying hairs, then simply, it would not matter what Saunders' original state was, he'd have a lot of hair growing on his head. To say "this is the best possible results" is moving goalposts.


If he was truly multiplying hairs, there would be no debate, the result would speak for itself.

I still think Gho is splitting hairs, and will continue to believe so until I see some of these people who have had 6-8 hst procedures with 10,000+ grafts. That is why his results appear so thin when compared to traditional transplants of the same graft count, because his transplants only contain 1-2 hair grafts. His results look very similar to strip patients who have an unusually low number of multi-hair grafts.

[KO1]

^That makes a lot of sense, he will bisect one follicle and implant it and count it as one graft, but compared to FUE which can move doubles and triples, it will only look half as dense.