HST reply - claims of 6-8 HSTs

[gc83uk]

So after having a number of procedures, you start seeing "visible loss in density". And that pulls us again to the yet-unanswered question of using transplanted hairs as new donor hairs:

Those with a thick donor and a good regeneration rate will be eligible for 6-8 HSTs. But those who re-extract some of the newly implanted hairs as donor for future procedures will surely be fine even after 8-10 or more HSTs. Or is HASCI going to tell me this is not possible?

I was asking a similar question a few days back, I'll ask Hasci if it's possible and post the answer here as soon as they get back to me.

[clarence]

So after having a number of procedures, you start seeing "visible loss in density". And that pulls us again to the yet-unanswered question of using transplanted hairs as new donor hairs:

Those with a thick donor and a good regeneration rate will be eligible for 6-8 HSTs. But those who re-extract some of the newly implanted hairs as donor for future procedures will surely be fine even after 8-10 or more HSTs. Or is HASCI going to tell me this is not possible?

[didi]

Can the whole horseshoe and sideburns be transplanted into hairline, frontal, crown? Recipients can be buzzed short, and horseshoe can be shaven, like an athletic haircut. Regeneration isn't an issue since horseshoe will be shaven anyways. Would be extremely expensive tho.

reversed horseshoe?



if theres no white dots and scarring I think it is possible..BUT it will take you 10 years to reverse it...

With Pilofocus will be possible in 2 passes..bring it on

[Cookie]

Can the whole horseshoe and sideburns be transplanted into hairline, frontal, crown? Recipients can be buzzed short, and horseshoe can be shaven, like an athletic haircut. Regeneration isn't an issue since horseshoe will be shaven anyways. Would be extremely expensive tho.

[greatjob!]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...n/photostream/

Those are before procedures i believe. You can scroll though a few pics, hes mega bald.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwyf6HShrSg

This is him and his brother ( in a beanie) 10 years ago, as you can see these guys are severe cases.

Its pretty much norwood max and he has a big head. Proportion of donor area to bald area is pretty bad. I would say in the bottom 5% of all distributions.

The only thing I got out of those links is that the mainstream U.S. music industry is not as bad as I thought it was, lmao. However I could see that his crown has probably dropped to that of a nw7 but his sides are probably at about a nw5-6.

In all reality I don't even care anymore, this thread has been extremely constructive imo. The only problem I have had with the Gho debate is that many people claimed it was the cure to baldness and would eliminate the need for all other transplant procedures which has always been something I couldn't agree with.

However I think this discussion has been very constructive and honest and I think that hst is at this point just another option for hairloss sufferers. My theory is that the 85% regeneration figure is not absolute, as anyone with any knowledge of how mpb responds to treatment will understand it is highly variable. So I think that the 85% figure might be the best figure that can be expected and that it varies with each patient and how many procedures they can have depends on the patients goals and how their hair responds to treatment. So at this point I will concede that hst does get some level of regeneration that varies from patient to patient and it is the least invasive and least scarring option out there. It is not the best option for every patient, just like strip and fue aren't the best option for every patient.

I really hope that everyone can agree to the reality of hst and other hair transplant procedures and all of the anger and animosity surrounding these procedures can cease to exist.

[Arashi]

A few months prior to his first HST:

http://www.nufoto.nl/fotos/205506/dean-saunders-in-veldhoven.html

Sides are certainly not NW7. Actually much more NW5-ish.

[Arashi]

I was googling a bit. In this video, dated feb 2011 (6 months prior to his first HST), he does look like a NW6.5 (his back looks like NW7, his sides like NW6). It's really hard to get a good idea of his donor quality though, haven't seen any good photo's.

Anyway, this is maybe my biggest concern regarding HASCI. They make a case out of Dean but they just fail to document it properly. We'd need to see high res pre-op photo's to get a good idea of the success of the operations.

[Arashi]

Its pretty much norwood max and he has a big head. Proportion of donor area to bald area is pretty bad. I would say in the bottom 5% of all distributions.

Nah. Pause the video at 2:54. Although a horrible quality, I'd say he's NW6 rather than NW7 in this vid. But then again, the vid is 10 years old.

[cocacola]

Do you have any pictures of Dean Saunders with his hair grown out pre any procedures?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard-canten/5867970246/in/photostream/

Those are before procedures i believe. You can scroll though a few pics, hes mega bald.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwyf6HShrSg

This is him and his brother ( in a beanie) 10 years ago, as you can see these guys are severe cases.

Its pretty much norwood max and he has a big head. Proportion of donor area to bald area is pretty bad. I would say in the bottom 5% of all distributions.

[greatjob!]

Thank you for the examples, however to compare those results to Dean Saunders case is like comparing oranges to apples.

First of all, the only one of these patients that had similar degree of baldness is only the first case

Do you have any pictures of Dean Saunders with his hair grown out pre any procedures?

[cocacola]

Here are three examples all from the same doctor. I would upload more but I don't have all day to do so.

6381 FUE Dr. Lorenzo:







I really don't see the need to shave down if you have results like this, I mean what is the point of spending $30,000 on a hair transplant so you can shave your head? Shaving your head is free. While I will give you the fact that hst is the least scarring option, there are varying degrees of scarring with FUE, not just the worst case scenario that Ironman posts daily. So here are two examples of good FUE scarring:

4200 grafts via FUE:



3489 grafts via FUE:



And of course it can be not quite so good like this guy:





This is a very honest and intelligent assessment of the procedure. My point with Dr. Gho is that the only main benefit that everyone proclaims is that you can shave to the bone, and with most of his results you would be required to shave to the bone because they don't look that great. A hair transplant is about having hair not shaving your head, if you want to shave your head then save you money and just shave your head.

Thank you for the examples, however to compare those results to Dean Saunders case is like comparing oranges to apples.

First of all, the only one of these patients that had similar degree of baldness is only the first case, and in this case u can see its pretty thin + combover after 6.4k grafts. Then, we have no idea how his donor looks.

The 2nd and the 3rd look better. However, they had much more hair to begin with. We have no idea how their donor looks.

Furthermore, the donor picture is only after 3.4k grafts. It looks ok, i can see some gaps and minor white spots, but that could only be my bias. Then again, here we have no idea how his result actually looks.

To compare high count hst to a high count fue you need result, donor area and same degree of baldness to begin with.

[greatjob!]

/sarcasm mode off
Ok... just amusing myself at the old lame argument for HTs - ie. guys have a HT to grow out their hair, not to buzz/shave/whatever...

Guys who are adjusted to very short hair on the sides/back, despite growing their hair longer on the top/front, might take issue with that argument.

Well it is reasonable to expect to be able to shave your donor to a 4 guard with strip and 2 guard with FUE. Sure there are outliers but the majority of patients can shave to the above lengths. So yeah if your goal is to shave down below a 2 guard with fue, and a 4 guard with strip then you should not have a traditional hair transplant.

[clarence]

You quoted me in your reply, but I honestly cannot determine what you are trying to say here. It really doesn't make much sense, can you clarify?

/sarcasm mode off
Ok... just amusing myself at the old lame argument for HTs - ie. guys have a HT to grow out their hair, not to buzz/shave/whatever...

Guys who are adjusted to very short hair on the sides/back, despite growing their hair longer on the top/front, might take issue with that argument.

[greatjob!]

No, you get a big FUT scar spiced up with a few FUE dots to wear long hair... on the sides and the back of your head. Buzzing down the top/front of your head is now obligatory for everyone, who are adjusted to short hair on the sides/back

You quoted me in your reply, but I honestly cannot determine what you are trying to say here. It really doesn't make much sense, can you clarify?

[clarence]

This is a very honest and intelligent assessment of the procedure. My point with Dr. Gho is that the only main benefit that everyone proclaims is that you can shave to the bone, and with most of his results you would be required to shave to the bone because they don't look that great. A hair transplant is about having hair not shaving your head, if you want to shave your head then save you money and just shave your head.

No, you get a big FUT scar spiced up with a few FUE dots to wear long hair... on the sides and the back of your head. Buzzing down the top/front of your head is now obligatory for everyone, who are adjusted to short hair on the sides/back