Raising money for 50 graft HST test procedure

[caddarik79]

No, that's a bad idea..
The plan was to send that guy and ask him to document his case himself and take pics of his donor and receipient area for the whole year... Nothing changed, the guy will still dommuent his case, in addition, gho offered to have proffesional pics taking which is good for the case. So i don't see why should we ask another guy to attend to verify that they are not faking it... If the dutch guy who is going for the test is not trustworthy, then we should find another guy. No need to keep adding more and more demands.

I can only agree, enough of your shitt* scepticism, they show good will, and you alwas push further!!! that's so stupid!!!

They do it for free, they will take professionnal photograph, Gho gave two interviews, official claims, didi, stop with your stupid ideas of being over demanding...
Wait another ten years and jump for something when you a really really really really really really really really really really really really really really sure and confident!!!!

What an asshole!!!! You got better than what you expected, now shut up and let's see what it shows!!!

What a pain in the ass, this didi!!!! some forum people are sick retarded people!!! sorry for all the others who are helpful, for a change!!!

[aim4hair]

One thing I thought of, maybe it's an idea to ask the moderator of the Dutch forums (www.haarweb.nl), to witness the whole procedure ? Until now he's been a Gho sceptic. But then again, I must admit I'd feel a bit weird to ask HASCI about it ...

excellent idea,

ask him if is able to be at the clinic on the day of procedure, it will take less than 2 hours of his time , not big ask.Im sure he is interested too.
HASCI wouldnt mind, if they mind id be worried

No, that's a bad idea..
The plan was to send that guy and ask him to document his case himself and take pics of his donor and receipient area for the whole year... Nothing changed, the guy will still dommuent his case, in addition, gho offered to have proffesional pics taking which is good for the case. So i don't see why should we ask another guy to attend to verify that they are not faking it... If the dutch guy who is going for the test is not trustworthy, then we should find another guy. No need to keep adding more and more demands.

[didi]

One thing I thought of, maybe it's an idea to ask the moderator of the Dutch forums (www.haarweb.nl), to witness the whole procedure ? Until now he's been a Gho sceptic. But then again, I must admit I'd feel a bit weird to ask HASCI about it ...

excellent idea,

ask him if is able to be at the clinic on the day of procedure, it will take less than 2 hours of his time , not big ask.Im sure he is interested too.
HASCI wouldnt mind, if they mind id be worried

[didi]

Great news, free testing
maybe we should thank dr nigam for this hasci move as he has been pushing standards lately


it would be better if we can get moderator from dutch forum involved, he is sceptic(good thing) and he is local..he could be present on the day of procedure and make sure number of grafts and type of grafts are what we expect, take pix, etc,its always good to have more peple involved

another point Dr ghos photography sucks, he could be multiplying but photography isnt one of his strong sides, dr nigam surpassed him in that area


we need to get hasci to implant 50 grafts into 1x2 cm..25 grafts per cm2
i dont want them to spread them around as guy have existing hairs and it will be hard to evaluate.Nice 1 by 2 cm square is what is need.

[caddarik79]

By the way, I put an unpdate of my recipient in HS, almost 7 months post op

[JJJJrS]

Or, what if we ask our guy to shoot pictures as well himself, before and after the procedure ? Maybe that's the best way to go ?

I think that would be the best solution and the one I had in mind also.

The other key thing is how HASCI decides to preform the procedure. I'm sure they already know what it takes to properly document it but hopefully they follow the steps we've asked for:

- 50 grafts (including 1-hair, 2-hair, and 3-hair follicular units) are extracted from a small area (~2 cm^2).
- These 50 grafts are then implanted into a slick bald area, approx. 1.5 cm^2 in size

While it is not necessary to mark these two areas with a non-permanent tattoo, high quality, zoomed-in photographs of these two areas must be taken both before and after the procedure.

Like hellouser said, HASCI's response to this has been fantastic so I don't think we should push our luck at this point.

Anyway, exciting stuff all this !! Just hoping we're not digging our own graves here, in the form of a waiting list explosion, like aim4hair suggested. Still want to get my own 2nd procedure end of year

It'll be worth it. Something like this can only benefit the hair loss community. It's about time we stopped debating the procedure anyway.

[caddarik79]

I am so glad they react this way, they are confident and very professional.
and after that, didi will have a boulevard to stop pretending things he doesn't know a clue about.

I might think of a second procedure too, Arashi, we should consider meeting one day ;-)

[hellouser]

I've been thinking about that myself. But Dr Gho is clearly not Dr Nigam (who has a history of photoshopping). Furthermore where Dr Nigam wants to test on one of his staff members, our guy is independent.

I don't think there's a need for 'additional measures' (like a video) in this case. But then again, maybe people are still going to complain "yeah these photo's are fake". Not sure if this is factor ...

One thing I thought of, maybe it's an idea to ask the moderator of the Dutch forums (www.haarweb.nl), to witness the whole procedure ? Until now he's been a Gho sceptic. But then again, I must admit I'd feel a bit weird to ask HASCI about it ... Cause personally, like said, I see a big difference between HASCI and somebody like Dr Nigam who has a history of photoshopping (and hence needs EXTRA proof).

What do you guys think ?

I think we're already lucky to have the 50 graft test done for free. I think asking for more may be pushing our luck and start to annoy them. Best to play it safe and keep the requests to a minimum after theyve agreed to a free test.

[gc83uk]

Anyway, exciting stuff all this !! Just hoping we're not digging our own graves here, in the form of a waiting list explosion, like aim4hair suggested. Still want to get my own 2nd procedure end of year

Ha yea exactly this. I'd love to know how many ppl went for HST after seeing my case documented.

[Arashi]

Anyway, exciting stuff all this !! Just hoping we're not digging our own graves here, in the form of a waiting list explosion, like aim4hair suggested. Still want to get my own 2nd procedure end of year

[Arashi]

What I think personally the subject should also take his own pics as well as Gho taking pics. Simple

I think so too. Easiest and best way to go. Comparing his pictures to the professional ones should easily proof they're real.

[gc83uk]

I've been thinking about that myself. But Dr Gho is clearly not Dr Nigam (who has a history of photoshopping). Furthermore where Dr Nigam wants to test on one of his staff members, our guy is independent.

I don't think there's a need for 'additional measures' (like a video) in this case. But then again, maybe people are still going to complain "yeah these photo's are fake". Not sure if this is factor ...

One thing I thought of, maybe it's an idea to ask the moderator of the Dutch forums (www.haarweb.nl), to witness the whole procedure ? Until now he's been a Gho sceptic. But then again, I must admit I'd feel a bit weird to ask HASCI about it ... Cause personally, like said, I see a big difference between HASCI and somebody like Dr Nigam who has a history of photoshopping (and hence needs EXTRA proof).

What do you guys think ?

What I think personally the subject should also take his own pics as well as Gho taking pics. Simple

[Arashi]

Or, what if we ask our guy to shoot pictures as well himself, before and after the procedure ? Maybe that's the best way to go ?

[Arashi]

An important question:

Will the photographer be a 3rd party or someone connected with HASCI? Its best to use someone who has no vested interest in HASCI, lets avoid any possible doctoring of the photographs.

I've been thinking about that myself. But Dr Gho is clearly not Dr Nigam (who has a history of photoshopping). Furthermore where Dr Nigam wants to test on one of his staff members, our guy is independent.

I don't think there's a need for 'additional measures' (like a video) in this case. But then again, maybe people are still going to complain "yeah these photo's are fake". Not sure if this is factor ...

One thing I thought of, maybe it's an idea to ask the moderator of the Dutch forums (www.haarweb.nl), to witness the whole procedure ? Until now he's been a Gho sceptic. But then again, I must admit I'd feel a bit weird to ask HASCI about it ... Cause personally, like said, I see a big difference between HASCI and somebody like Dr Nigam who has a history of photoshopping (and hence needs EXTRA proof).

What do you guys think ?

[gc83uk]

Arashi give yourself a pat on the back son.