Raising money for 50 graft HST test procedure

[gc83uk]

Arashi, I completely understand your point, but I need to clarify...

I'm talking about a recording of the Nigam procedure, not HASCI.

Secondly I suggested a video for dual purposes, proof and watching the procedure which IMO would make interesting viewing. So it's not pointless in that aspect.

As for taking the grafts out and putting in new grafts, yea I suppose he could do that, however he would have a hell of a job of making that recipient site look identical to the recipient site before these grafts were removed.

To explain further I would expect a photo to be posted of the recipient close up before the end of the video recording. There is no way he could replicate the 1st photo with new grafts because of the characteristics of each hair is always slightly different, the positioning thickness etc.

Anyway he's done the procedure now and we don't have the recording/live streaming. So pretty pointless discussing it now.

As for Hasci, I don't believe there is any scamming go on, so no need for a video. Simple.

[Kiwi]

Don't worry about (423374 aka mr negative... Why even bother replying to him! Ignore it and it might go away... Or at least treat people nicer... I'd love to punch him in the face

[Arashi]

Not OK - they will buy "somebody" as well ...

Just to let you losers know:
They have nothing better to do than buying everyone and faking everything.

Sometimes I also get really tired of your sarcasm and tone. NOBODY here is suggesting HASCI is going to fake anything at all. Dr Kristel is one of the most sincere people I've ever met. I'm just explaining here that ALL we can do in terms of proof, is have an independent patient and let him shoot pictures as well. Everything else adds nothing extra, just a false sense of proof.

[534623]

Or somebody else from dutch forum is ok

Not OK - they will buy "somebody" as well ...

Just to let you losers know:
They have nothing better to do than buying everyone and faking everything.

[Arashi]

so what do you suggest?

How about we have somebody else in the room while video is taken(haarweb moderator), problem solved?
Or somebody else

I hate repeating myself but at this point it seems I'm just explaining myself badly since nobody seems to get my point On the other hand I really don't know how to explain it otherwise. Please re-read my previous posts. If you still don't get my point, then maybe explain to me this: if our patient is for real (and not in on it), then why do we need someone to supervise ? He can just monitor himself that nothing funny is going on.

If (theoretically) the patient would be in on it (like in Dr Nigam's case), then how does the supervisor know what happens after he's gone home ? Dr Nigam could simply eject the grafts that same day, after the supervisor has gone home, and transplant other grafts.

Hence, I'm saying: video and supervision add NOTHING in terms of proof, regardless of the scenario. All we need is a patient we can trust and let him shoot photo's as well.

[didi]

so what do you suggest?

How about we have somebody else in the room while video is taken(haarweb moderator), problem solved?
Or somebody else from dutch forum is ok,
anybody is better than have only hasci staff and patient

[Arashi]

Sometimes you guys are illogically and ridiculously like hell ...

I'm starting to think I'm not explaining myself correctly here, since you nor Didi nor GC83UK seem to understand my point. I don't have ANY doubts that our guy is for real. I contacted him on haarweb after this poor guy documented his butcher session at another clinic.

All I'm saying that making a video proofs nothing. There are 2 possible scenario's in GENERAL when conducting this test IF the clinic wants to conduct fraud:
1) The patient is in on it
2) The patient is not in on it.

In the first case, making a video is useless, since they can just eject the grafts and insert others AFTER the camera is shut down. In the second case, making a video is useless as well, since the patient will monitor everything himself and will make sure grafts are not being transplanted twice.

So, why make a video, what does it add in terms of proof ?

[didi]

does this TEST guy have 1x2xm of slick bald area in crown where grafts will be implanted?

He is still not posting on this forum, Winston stop pulling yourself and let this guy in;
we need to know all the details, im sure hasci and him must have worked out specifics of test

[didi]

Arashi
you are taking it too far
you assuming everyone will be fake , from hasci drs to patients..

I beleive dutsh guy is legit, just add video+make good photos

3rd party is needed to make sure we have right number of grafts and verify type of these grafts, plus supervise procedure


Dutch moderator is ok as he is biased the other way

its always better to have more people involved/supervise procedure


video is always better than no video


is this guy ok/capable of taking good quality photos on a daily basis?

[534623]

I'm playing the devil's advocate here. If Kristel's intention was to fake 100% regrowth AND if the patient is on it (like in Dr Nigam's case)...

Sometimes you guys are illogically and ridiculously like hell ...

IF the test-candidate, which YOU suggested, really got that f u c k e d up by a Turkish hair transplant clinic; namely, the reason why he is looking for help at all, why should such a guy try to fake? To get thereafter a FULL procedure FOR FREE??

And all this is THE reason, why I give a SHIT about such "test procedures" because IDIOTS will always find this or that "fishy" or "faked".

btw - you CAN'T fake something like this ...



...provided, that photos were taken on a (almost) daily basis up to 1-2 weeks after extractions were done. Such photo-documentions, as you can see them above - you can't find something like this anywhere in the medical literature - until today!

You can't even find exacly the same about simply PLUCKED hairs - or could you guys ever see Dr. Cooley or Dr. Hitzig posting some photos of regenerated (donor site) PLUCKED hairs?? Zero, zilch, nada...

[Arashi]

Who says "we won't be able"??

IF the whole story is true (I didn't follow this thread), and Kristel van Herwijnen will perform the test-procedure - where is the problem?

They always make after checks anyhow (after 1 week, 1 month, 6 month, 9 month etc) and, of course, they always make photos for documentatons anyhow. And especially IN THIS CASE, I guess even Kristel herself is interested about the outcome, because I guess she herself didn't closely follow each and every single graft she extracted in the past, as well each and every extraction site as well as recipient site thereafter - because that's exactly what you guys want to SEE - right?

I'm playing the devil's advocate here. If Kristel's intention was to fake 100% regrowth AND if the patient is on it (like in Dr Nigam's case), then (s)he would have every opportunity to do so, AFTER the camera shuts down (by ejecting the transplanted grafts and transplant others). For that exact reason I'm saying that the test Dr Nigam is running is worthless.

And for that reason, it's useless to record a video and/or supervise.

[534623]

Therefore he would be a great supervisor (since he's biased the other way). However like I explained, if you think it through, supervising and video recording is useless, since we won't be able to tell what happens after that, if the patient is on it. And if he's not in on it, why add an extra supervisor/camera anyway ?

Who says "we won't be able"??

IF the whole story is true (I didn't follow this thread), and Kristel van Herwijnen will perform the test-procedure - where is the problem?

They always make after checks anyhow (after 1 week, 1 month, 6 month, 9 month etc) and, of course, they always make photos for documentatons anyhow. And especially IN THIS CASE, I guess even Kristel herself is interested about the outcome, because I guess she herself didn't closely follow each and every single graft she extracted in the past, as well each and every extraction site as well as recipient site thereafter - because that's exactly what you guys want to SEE - right?

[Arashi]

Are you guys talking ...

http://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=324838#post324838

...about THIS guy?

Yep, AnthonieH is indeed that moderator. As you can see he's a "Gho Skeptic" (to put it kindly). Therefore he would be a great supervisor (since he's biased the other way). However like I explained, if you think it through, supervising and video recording is useless, since we won't be able to tell what happens after that, if the patient is on it. And if he's not in on it, why add an extra supervisor/camera anyway ?

[534623]

One thing I thought of, maybe it's an idea to ask the moderator of the Dutch forums (www.haarweb.nl), to witness the whole procedure ? Until now he's been a Gho sceptic. But then again, I must admit I'd feel a bit weird to ask HASCI about it ...

What do you guys think ?

Are you guys talking ...

http://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=324838#post324838

...about THIS guy?

[caddarik79]

I will explain one more time (last time) so even someone like Didi will hopefully understand.

Let's say we record the whole thing and have somebody supervise. Everything goes normal, no "funny things" happening and even the person supervising says everything was totall legit. Then, later that day when the person supervising went home and camera is turned off, they eject the transplanted grafts and take grafts elsewhere.

Conclusion: if the patient is in on it, then recording, supervising is of exactly 0 use. If the patient is NOT in on it, then why record and supervise in the first place, when he just verifies himself no 'funny stuff' is going on ?

didi should go prepare himself a coffee with milk and finasteride...then watch a good movie, put some minoxidil on his scalp, and go to sleep.