Raising money for 50 graft HST test procedure

[Arashi]

that can be also completely intact follicles which he extracted wide spread in the donor area which you can't see/detect.

There are HUGE differences all over the place. Not only the extremely obvious ones like graft 5 and 6, but pretty much all the grafts look very different.
To me it looks that Dr Nigam did exactly that what I expected him to do: videotape the whole process, turn off the camera and then replace some or even all of the grafts with WHOLE grafts extracted elsewhere.

[534623]

could he implant both parts in recipient and double density and have normal fue dots in the back?
2000 extracted grafts could grow as 4000 in rcipient, for thos who dont mind dots


anyone tried this before? success?

MANY ...

http://talizi.ge/files/publication/viability_eng.pdf

Scroll down the file ...

[didi]

'The idea behind all this is not new:
Extraction of normal grafts from the donor area via FUE, then he bisected them outside the body, and implanted one half back into the extractions sites, the other part into the recipient site. '


could he implant both parts in recipient and double density and have normal fue dots in the back?
2000 extracted grafts could grow as 4000 in rcipient, for thos who dont mind dots


anyone tried this before? success?

[Arashi]

that can be also completely intact follicles which he extracted wide spread in the donor area which you can't see/detect.

But he has made video's !!! Hehehe ... This, my dear friend, has exactly been my point all along.

Since we have an independent patient, no trickery like this is possible and no camera is needed (since that doesn't add anything at all like we can see now).

[534623]

Look at the pic Dr Nigam just posted: http://www.drnigams.net/images/RTN/Day03/Large/02.jpg

Especially look at graft 5 and 6. Is it just me or do they look totally different ?

I find his labeling with "Regeneration" very funny - especially 3 days after implantation of -let's say- "something".

Since day-0, you can't tell from any photo what exactly he implanted in every hole/slit he made - that can be also completely intact follicles which he extracted wide spread in the donor area which you can't see/detect.

Analog the same for the marked area in the donor area.

The idea behind all this is not new:
Extraction of normal grafts from the donor area via FUE, then he bisected them outside the body, and implanted one half back into the extractions sites, the other part into the recipient site.

So the OUTCOME, provided it's sussessful, should be basically the same as with the HST technque:

- regeneration in almost every extraction site (donor);
- regeneration in almost every implantation site (recipient).

[Arashi]

As for taking the grafts out and putting in new grafts, yea I suppose he could do that, however he would have a hell of a job of making that recipient site look identical to the recipient site before these grafts were removed.

Look at the pic Dr Nigam just posted: http://www.drnigams.net/images/RTN/Day03/Large/02.jpg

Especially look at graft 5 and 6. Is it just me or do they look totally different ?

Anyway, my point is, in our case (possible) trickery like this is out of the question, since we have an independent patient, unlike Dr Nigam who is performing this on his staff member.

[534623]

ok no video is needed but this dutch dude needs to verify number/type of grafts and be able to take good quality pics,

Right - and here are his quality pics ...

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?p=113204#post113204

[didi]

ok no video is needed but this dutch dude needs to verify number/type of grafts and be able to take good quality pics,

arashi
do we know for sure tht hasci will implant 50 grafts into 2 cm2?
test guy have prexisting hair so its important not to distribute grafts loosely

is he still in moderation q?

[534623]

I agree! this is awesome! Finally going to have the Gho forum debate settled!!!

Debate? What debate?
Can you please explain in detail what this debate is all about and what you find "awesome" in this debate?

[JJJJrS]

The key thing will be the quality of the documentation. As long as the pictures are good and taken before the procedure and after 1 day, 1 week, 1 month, 6 months, 1 year etc., we should be ok. A professional photographer should be able to easily replicate gc's photo so this shouldn't be an issue. Also, I hope they go through to the end with this and neither side decides to back out.

I think we should give HASCI the benefit of doubt for now and see what they can come up with. It would be an added bonus if the patient could take good pictures like gc and IM did, as added insurance. But just getting the 50 graft test was great and hopefully this will be end up being the case to settle the debate.

[FearTheLoss]

Great news, well done on pushing this!

I agree! this is awesome! Finally going to have the Gho forum debate settled!!!

[gc83uk]

Yup, in one week. April 8.

Great news, well done on pushing this!

[Arashi]

Yes I think asking Hasci to do that is too extreme.

Do we know when the 50 graft test is taking place?

Yup, in one week. April 8.

[gc83uk]

Agreed. And yes, I also agree that a video would be interesting and in that perspective not useless, but I don't feel like pushing HASCI to do that. I'm already very excited HASCI is going to do this test for us as it is.

Yes I think asking Hasci to do that is too extreme.

Do we know when the 50 graft test is taking place?

[Arashi]

Arashi, I completely understand your point, but I need to clarify...

I'm talking about a recording of the Nigam procedure, not HASCI.

Secondly I suggested a video for dual purposes, proof and watching the procedure which IMO would make interesting viewing. So it's not pointless in that aspect.

As for taking the grafts out and putting in new grafts, yea I suppose he could do that, however he would have a hell of a job of making that recipient site look identical to the recipient site before these grafts were removed.

To explain further I would expect a photo to be posted of the recipient close up before the end of the video recording. There is no way he could replicate the 1st photo with new grafts because of the characteristics of each hair is always slightly different, the positioning thickness etc.

Anyway he's done the procedure now and we don't have the recording/live streaming. So pretty pointless discussing it now.

As for Hasci, I don't believe there is any scamming go on, so no need for a video. Simple.

Agreed. And yes, I also agree that a video would be interesting and in that perspective not useless, but I don't feel like pushing HASCI to do that. I'm already very excited HASCI is going to do this test for us as it is.