Histogen at the ISHRS conference

[UK_]

Ironman has already had a procedure with Gho I believe...and because you have to wait 9 months in between every procedure with Gho...so if you are a higher norwood it takes years to get to nw1 because you can only do 1400 (on average) grafts a year

FTL, I just think if something sounds too good to be true it usually is... this rule is like the word of God in the hair loss industry.

[hellouser]

Ironman has already had a procedure with Gho I believe...and because you have to wait 9 months in between every procedure with Gho...so if you are a higher norwood it takes years to get to nw1 because you can only do 1400 (on average) grafts a year

I'm having trouble believing that 1,400 is the average. Why only 1,400? There's been some cases of guys getting 4,000-6,000 mega-session hair transplants. Typical maximum graft donor amount is between 6-8,000 grafts. So why only 1,400 per session? The other problem I have with this is that the website clearly states 2,500 maximum in one session. Alright, so if I show up at the clinic with $15,000 for a 2,500 graft procedure why in the hell would he say NO to $15,000?

[FearTheLoss]

and its expensive as shit

[FearTheLoss]

I say you're a NW2/2.5 - closer to a solid NW2 though.

If Dr Gho can offer to move a hairline forward by even 1cm each year and still retain 80% donor then why are we all waiting for Histogen update? (Especially Iron_Man, why is he waiting for Histogen update?).

Ironman has already had a procedure with Gho I believe...and because you have to wait 9 months in between every procedure with Gho...so if you are a higher norwood it takes years to get to nw1 because you can only do 1400 (on average) grafts a year

[UK_]

I say you're a NW2/2.5 - closer to a solid NW2 though.

If Dr Gho can offer to move a hairline forward by even 1cm each year and still retain 80% donor then why are we all waiting for Histogen update? (Especially Iron_Man, why is he waiting for Histogen update?).

[garethbale]

Cmon man a hair piece with that loss? You're maybe NW2.5 at worst, more like 2.1, solid coverage. You definitely don't "look" bald. No one but us other bald-obsessed guys would even think you're losing hair. Your hair looks awesome buzzed, just hang on until these treatments come out and if it gets worse have a touch up in two years. Def wouldn't get an ht for that loss.

yeah maybe, my hair is wet in the second and third pics so it looks a bit thinner. My hair if strong on top and my brother, who is 5 years older than me is receding in the same pattern, so I may go for a frontal HT in the next couple of years, Then hope Aderans/Histogen can come out a few years after that

I doubt a buzz cut suits me though. I am quite short and I think the buzz cut looks better on taller guys

[Conpecia]

Cmon man a hair piece with that loss? You're maybe NW2.5 at worst, more like 2.1, solid coverage. You definitely don't "look" bald. No one but us other bald-obsessed guys would even think you're losing hair. Your hair looks awesome buzzed, just hang on until these treatments come out and if it gets worse have a touch up in two years. Def wouldn't get an ht for that loss.

[FearTheLoss]

Yeah I want to do something about my hairline sooner or later. Was considering a small frontal piece to blend in with my hair but wouldn't want anyone to notice.

I would rather my own hair so am thinking about Gho, but I have always been cautious of surgery. Plus I am saving for a deposit on a flat and it annoys me that a big chunk of it may go on a HT.

I have been slowly receding since about Sept 2003. These are some pics I took of my hair today after a haircut, and yesterday (hopefully they upload properly). My hair is not thinning at all on top but the front is getting a bit thin and I can't style it how I'd like anymore

What Norwood would you say I am at the moment?

I'd say a 2.5/3 based on the pictures

[garethbale]

Tbh if Aderans gets into phase 3 , it might be worth going to gho for the time being.

Gareth bale it sounds as though your hairloss is not aggressive, I.e your hairline is going back a couple of mm every year.

Yeah I want to do something about my hairline sooner or later. Was considering a small frontal piece to blend in with my hair but wouldn't want anyone to notice.

I would rather my own hair so am thinking about Gho, but I have always been cautious of surgery. Plus I am saving for a deposit on a flat and it annoys me that a big chunk of it may go on a HT.

I have been slowly receding since about Sept 2003. These are some pics I took of my hair today after a haircut, and yesterday (hopefully they upload properly). My hair is not thinning at all on top but the front is getting a bit thin and I can't style it how I'd like anymore

What Norwood would you say I am at the moment?

[FearTheLoss]

Tbh if Aderans gets into phase 3 , it might be worth going to gho for the time being.

Gareth bale it sounds as though your hairloss is not aggressive, I.e your hairline is going back a couple of mm every year.

If you saw the article we were discussing in this thread

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=11311&page=2

they announced they are starting phase III (article is on page 2 of the thread right above the highlighted portion)

[yeahyeahyeah]

Gho regenerates 80%+ of donor...you can pack your hairline fine and still be able to come back numerous times

Tbh if Aderans gets into phase 3 , it might be worth going to gho for the time being.

Gareth bale it sounds as though your hairloss is not aggressive, I.e your hairline is going back a couple of mm every year.

[garethbale]

Got a pic of your hairline?

I have some somewhere, haven't uploaded any to my computer. Might do in a couple of days.


Fear the loss
Okay, a few people have had success on the front with it, but its generally accepted to work better on the crown

[FearTheLoss]

Ok, I think I may have got a bit confused here, although I don't know for sure, but I think I was wrong in saying 40% of the 60%, looks like it's 40% of the total. Still that means that only 40 people out of 100 got 13 new hairs per sq cm. Also is it really Propecia without the side effects? Those that respond well to Propecia get regrowth and stabilisation of further hair loss, there's still nothing to say that Aderans will halt further loss, I really really hope it will and I hope it will do it with more certainty than Propecia as well but as of yet there's no proof of that. If this only grows as much hair as Propecia in 40% and doesn't halt further loss it's not as good as propecia - it's more like minoxidil. Propecia has a resonse rate somewhere in the 80's right? So clinically twice as many people respond to Propecia.

trust me, aderans won't release a product that isn't better than propecia...they have too much money behind them and people expect too much of them for them to come out with something like that.

[UK Boy]

Yeah they're heading into phase III but if you listen to what Doctor Washnik says about the treatment at the 2012 MESA meeting it just doesn't sound like that great a treatment at all. If the cost was low enough and they didn't have to take a slice of scalp to do it then I'd still go for it. If it proves to make hairs immune to DHT I'd also do it. But at the mo all he says is that 40% of the 60% that it works for get Propecia equivalent regrowth of miniturized follicles. Just listen to the MESA video, Ironman's right about that, people aren't bothering but the info's all there.

Ok, I think I may have got a bit confused here, although I don't know for sure, but I think I was wrong in saying 40% of the 60%, looks like it's 40% of the total. Still that means that only 40 people out of 100 got 13 new hairs per sq cm. Also is it really Propecia without the side effects? Those that respond well to Propecia get regrowth and stabilisation of further hair loss, there's still nothing to say that Aderans will halt further loss, I really really hope it will and I hope it will do it with more certainty than Propecia as well but as of yet there's no proof of that. If this only grows as much hair as Propecia in 40% and doesn't halt further loss it's not as good as propecia - it's more like minoxidil. Propecia has a resonse rate somewhere in the 80's right? So clinically twice as many people respond to Propecia.

[FearTheLoss]

I have been trying to hold on to my hair line but it is receding a bit. That's why I am considering going to Gho for a hairline transplant.

BUT, I would not dense pack it, as:

a. we don't know if/when Aderans (or Histogen or Replicel) will be available

b. how well these treatments will work if they do come out

I am hoping new treatments will be available in a few years but I still think its too risky to expect them to come and 'save us', hence why I wouldn't dense pack my hair line

Gho regenerates 80%+ of donor...you can pack your hairline fine and still be able to come back numerous times