Histogen at the ISHRS conference

[clandestine]

***** off back to hair site Ironman, you don't contribute anything here.

[UK Boy]

Question for Ironman

Ironman - you clearly don't have much belief in Histogen's treatment, if I'm right you think that they're going about it the wrong way and they need to include wounding to the process. However my actual question is in regards to your opinion of their results. You believe their statistics are random numbers and that their photos are Chinese website style. I want to ask you what you think they're doing then? What's there plan? Because they're not a snake oil fly by night - they're going through clinical trials, why would they continue to bother with this if they've got nothing? They don't have big funds like Aderans. Also why would they bother to fight on through things like the skin medical thing? I'm not asking for an arguement or for you to call me stupid or a sucker, I just asking for you thoughts. If it's all a lie they're never gonna get FDA approval, what's the point in lying now to get caught out in 3 years time? They have to pay for trials and unless they get a product to market they're never gonna get that money back so they're just wasting money if they've got nothing, why would they do that.

[Kiwi]

What are you talking about you cu.nt?! I was asked a question so I answered it.

Ignore ironman. He's just a Nigel no mates having another moan :P

[Thinning87]

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/N...istogen&rank=1

Enrollment: 56
Study Start Date: December 2011
Estimated Primary Completion Date: June 2012
Estimated Study Completion Date: December 2012

So, according to this, where are the promised new and typical Chinese before/after hairloss-cure-success-photos?

Always looking for a reason to troll. What a clown, you never let us down. Just because results haven't been published it doesn't mean the study didn't go well.

[UK_]

What are you talking about you cu.nt?! I was asked a question so I answered it.

Its okay, he lost the plot a long time ago on hairsite.

[UK_]

seems like hsc is in phase 1 still

I dont know, Gail clearly stated in an interview with Spencer: "and the SECOND trial will consist of 56 patients".

Whatever happens, she's gearing up for a 2015 release in Asia and possibly a year later for America & Europe.

I think her next move will be to expand the trial to 300 patients, that will obviously eat up around 18 - 24 months before the product is ready for release. Remember, the reason we're waiting longer is because of the previous legal action imposed on Histogen by Skinmedica.

[garethbale]

Seriously - and why don't you share your information in this thread here...
... instead of telling your boring family and hairloss history??

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What are you talking about you cu.nt?! I was asked a question so I answered it.

[yeahyeahyeah]

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/N...istogen&rank=1

Enrollment: 56
Study Start Date: December 2011
Estimated Primary Completion Date: June 2012
Estimated Study Completion Date: December 2012

So, according to this, where are the promised new and typical Chinese before/after hairloss-cure-success-photos?

seems like hsc is in phase 1 still

[534623]

Seriously, give it a rest...you're boring.

Seriously - and why don't you share your information in this thread here...

I emailed them a few days ago and received a response saying an announcement on the results was expected in the next couple of months. They said there had been 'promising' results in men as well as women, but were a bit evasive over potential release dates.

... instead of telling your boring family and hairloss history??

Actually, I'm not interested in their "announcement on the results" (just throwing out weird NUMBERS again) - I'm just curious to see the new Chinese website style hairloss-cure-photos...

[garethbale]

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/N...istogen&rank=1

Enrollment: 56
Study Start Date: December 2011
Estimated Primary Completion Date: June 2012
Estimated Study Completion Date: December 2012

So, according to this, where are the promised new and typical Chinese before/after hairloss-cure-success-photos?

Seriously, give it a rest...you're boring.


yeayeahyeah

I am 28, 29 this summer. My brother is probably NW 3 and he is 5 years older than me. I'm content to wait a few more years for whichever treatments come out but I would rather have my hair while I am still quite young. I may get my hairline filled in in the next 2 years though I would never dense pack it, just incase.

[534623]

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01501617?term=Histogen&rank=1

Enrollment: 56
Study Start Date: December 2011
Estimated Primary Completion Date: June 2012
Estimated Study Completion Date: December 2012

So, according to this, where are the promised new and typical Chinese before/after hairloss-cure-success-photos?

[yeahyeahyeah]

Yeah I want to do something about my hairline sooner or later. Was considering a small frontal piece to blend in with my hair but wouldn't want anyone to notice.

I would rather my own hair so am thinking about Gho, but I have always been cautious of surgery. Plus I am saving for a deposit on a flat and it annoys me that a big chunk of it may go on a HT.

I have been slowly receding since about Sept 2003. These are some pics I took of my hair today after a haircut, and yesterday (hopefully they upload properly). My hair is not thinning at all on top but the front is getting a bit thin and I can't style it how I'd like anymore

What Norwood would you say I am at the moment?

How old are you, and you are a NW2.

I dont think you will lose a significant amount of hairs in 2 years, given that it has taken 9 years to get to this point.

I would wait for an update in the summer month from the 2 companies - have a small touch up at the hairline with gho, then use future treatments.

[garethbale]

Oh, come on, this is all the hair you managed to lose in ... ten years? Totally pathetic!

You are doing just fine. As the others said, you look like a solid NW 2, max 2.5.

9 and a half years actually

But thanks. Yes, I'm fortunate that it hasn't been that aggressive with no crown loss, though I think my frontal loss is becoming a bit more noticeable, particularly when its long.

[Vox]

I'm having trouble believing that 1,400 is the average. Why only 1,400? There's been some cases of guys getting 4,000-6,000 mega-session hair transplants. Typical maximum graft donor amount is between 6-8,000 grafts. So why only 1,400 per session? The other problem I have with this is that the website clearly states 2,500 maximum in one session. Alright, so if I show up at the clinic with $15,000 for a 2,500 graft procedure why in the hell would he say NO to $15,000?

I think the main concern is the regeneration of the donor zone. They must have evidence that a massive session would damage it beyond repair, pretty much in the way it happens during normal FUE.

Also, I think that the advertised 2500 grafts sessions are not for everyone. I have no specific information about this but my gut feeling is that this is the absolute maximum they can reach in a big enough head with optimum donor density.

Ensuring donor regeneration is key in this technique. I am sure that they will never risk a failure in regeneration and, therefore, in their reputation. This must be the main limiting factor. The products of Aderans and Histogen discussed here may seem subpar at this moment, but who knows which could be the potential applications in donor regeneration in the Gho technique. Hopefully they will solve the regeneration problem no matter how big the session is.

[Vox]

I have been slowly receding since about Sept 2003. These are some pics I took of my hair today after a haircut, and yesterday (hopefully they upload properly). My hair is not thinning at all on top but the front is getting a bit thin and I can't style it how I'd like anymore

What Norwood would you say I am at the moment?

Oh, come on, this is all the hair you managed to lose in ... ten years? Totally pathetic!

You are doing just fine. As the others said, you look like a solid NW 2, max 2.5.