Histogen at the ISHRS conference

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I'm done feeding the troll

hmmm, I have no problems with feeding suckers.

[UK Boy]

Histogen photos

I just really hope that Histogen have resolved the issues with their photos when they present their next results. I'm dreading that they're going to just release the same standard of photos and that all the doubters will continue to pick fault in them. I wish people hadn't scared doctor Ziering off this forum cos then we could ask him about things like "why does Ironmans count show the same numbers of hairs in each picture etc." I've already lost tonnes of hope in Aderans, I don't wanna do the same with Histogen cos I've always preferred them. The thing is that the photos are proving to be a real issue in the everyone says they're snake oil type photos which doesn't back up the statistical info. I'm just feeling really feed up of all this let downs.

[rdawg]

haha I really wish we could get an insider or just not be left in the dark so much with these products.

don't get me wrong I know it's a process, but it's like we get big news, then we don't hear from the companies for 5-6 months!

[FearTheLoss]

I just really hope that Histogen have resolved the issues with their photos when they present their next results. I'm dreading that they're going to just release the same standard of photos and that all the doubters will continue to pick fault in them. I wish people hadn't scared doctor Ziering off this forum cos then we could ask him about things like "why does Ironmans count show the same numbers of hairs in each picture etc." I've already lost tonnes of hope in Aderans, I don't wanna do the same with Histogen cos I've always preferred them. The thing is that the photos are proving to be a real issue in the everyone says they're snake oil type photos which doesn't back up the statistical info. I'm just feeling really feed up of all this let downs.

Why did you lose hope in Aderans? they are heading to phase III!!!

[UK Boy]

Why did you lose hope in Aderans? they are heading to phase III!!!

Yeah they're heading into phase III but if you listen to what Doctor Washnik says about the treatment at the 2012 MESA meeting it just doesn't sound like that great a treatment at all. If the cost was low enough and they didn't have to take a slice of scalp to do it then I'd still go for it. If it proves to make hairs immune to DHT I'd also do it. But at the mo all he says is that 40% of the 60% that it works for get Propecia equivalent regrowth of miniturized follicles. Just listen to the MESA video, Ironman's right about that, people aren't bothering but the info's all there.

[UK Boy]

Why did you lose hope in Aderans? they are heading to phase III!!!

Yeah they're heading into phase III but if you listen to what Doctor Washnik says about the treatment at the 2012 MESA meeting it just doesn't sound like that great a treatment at all. If the cost was low enough and they didn't have to take a slice of scalp to do it then I'd still go for it. If it proves to make hairs immune to DHT I'd also do it. But at the mo all he says is that 40% of the 60% that it works for get Propecia equivalent regrowth of miniturized follicles. Just listen to the MESA video, Ironman's right about that, people aren't bothering but the info's all there.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Yeah they're heading into phase III but if you listen to what Doctor Washnik says about the treatment at the 2012 MESA meeting it just doesn't sound like that great a treatment at all. If the cost was low enough and they didn't have to take a slice of scalp to do it then I'd still go for it. If it proves to make hairs immune to DHT I'd also do it. But at the mo all he says is that 40% of the 60% that it works for get Propecia equivalent regrowth of miniturized follicles. Just listen to the MESA video, Ironman's right about that, people aren't bothering but the info's all there.

Yeah propecia style regrowth without the sides

[FearTheLoss]

a lot of people would be hella happy with a propecia affect without sides!

[garethbale]

a lot of people would be hella happy with a propecia affect without sides!

Propecia is only good for the crown. My hair loss is on the temples and hair line, where propecia is useless.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Propecia is only good for the crown. My hair loss is on the temples and hair line, where propecia is useless.

Well you can then use Aderans in conjunction with a HT.

Just dense pack your hairline without ever worrying about further thinning.

I don't see what the problem is here guys.

[garethbale]

Well you can then use Aderans in conjunction with a HT.

Just dense pack your hairline without ever worrying about further thinning.

I don't see what the problem is here guys.

I have been trying to hold on to my hair line but it is receding a bit. That's why I am considering going to Gho for a hairline transplant.

BUT, I would not dense pack it, as:

a. we don't know if/when Aderans (or Histogen or Replicel) will be available

b. how well these treatments will work if they do come out

I am hoping new treatments will be available in a few years but I still think its too risky to expect them to come and 'save us', hence why I wouldn't dense pack my hair line

[yeahyeahyeah]

I have been trying to hold on to my hair line but it is receding a bit. That's why I am considering going to Gho for a hairline transplant.

BUT, I would not dense pack it, as:

a. we don't know if/when Aderans (or Histogen or Replicel) will be available

b. how well these treatments will work if they do come out

I am hoping new treatments will be available in a few years but I still think its too risky to expect them to come and 'save us', hence why I wouldn't dense pack my hair line

Got a pic of your hairline?

[FearTheLoss]

Propecia is only good for the crown. My hair loss is on the temples and hair line, where propecia is useless.

That isn't true at all!

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=9661

http://www.bernsteinmedical.com/medical-treatment/medications/propecia-finasteride/

[FearTheLoss]

I have been trying to hold on to my hair line but it is receding a bit. That's why I am considering going to Gho for a hairline transplant.

BUT, I would not dense pack it, as:

a. we don't know if/when Aderans (or Histogen or Replicel) will be available

b. how well these treatments will work if they do come out

I am hoping new treatments will be available in a few years but I still think its too risky to expect them to come and 'save us', hence why I wouldn't dense pack my hair line

Gho regenerates 80%+ of donor...you can pack your hairline fine and still be able to come back numerous times

[UK Boy]

Yeah they're heading into phase III but if you listen to what Doctor Washnik says about the treatment at the 2012 MESA meeting it just doesn't sound like that great a treatment at all. If the cost was low enough and they didn't have to take a slice of scalp to do it then I'd still go for it. If it proves to make hairs immune to DHT I'd also do it. But at the mo all he says is that 40% of the 60% that it works for get Propecia equivalent regrowth of miniturized follicles. Just listen to the MESA video, Ironman's right about that, people aren't bothering but the info's all there.

Ok, I think I may have got a bit confused here, although I don't know for sure, but I think I was wrong in saying 40% of the 60%, looks like it's 40% of the total. Still that means that only 40 people out of 100 got 13 new hairs per sq cm. Also is it really Propecia without the side effects? Those that respond well to Propecia get regrowth and stabilisation of further hair loss, there's still nothing to say that Aderans will halt further loss, I really really hope it will and I hope it will do it with more certainty than Propecia as well but as of yet there's no proof of that. If this only grows as much hair as Propecia in 40% and doesn't halt further loss it's not as good as propecia - it's more like minoxidil. Propecia has a resonse rate somewhere in the 80's right? So clinically twice as many people respond to Propecia.