Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[bouflee]

Actually my forehead isn't as wrinkled as before, fck it ill carry on with this even as a beauty regime lol.

High five brother

[doke]

Hairloss research say that L Lysine 1500 to 2000 mgs a day with an antiandrogen can help with hair loss.

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I really don't want to be a downer here, but here's my experience.

I have stuck to natural supplements and haven't tested any form of chemicals such as minox, finas, keta etc.

I'm now 21 years old, and I started to notice my hair loss a little more than a year ago, i noticed increased shedding and slight thinnning.

So since then I've been on multivitamins, vitamin B, Omega 3, silicon and some other stuff. I also tried eating fenugreek seeds for a couple of months. None of these things had any really noticeable affect.

This fall i started taking Toco-8, and actually noticed decreased shedding, although by the same time my hair got really itchy and oily. I don't know if this was because of toco-8 or perhaps because I switched schampoo.

Anyhow, I found this thread I wanted to give it a try.

When I started to take MSM there was a noticeable increase in shedding. Since then I've lowered the dose, and then slowly increased it again. By now I'm off toco-8 almost a month. I've been on MSM+vitamin C for about 1 month and 1/2. And my shedding is worse, no doubt. It feels like it's even worse than before I got on toco-8.

This is everything I'm on right now, and have been for a while:

Supergreens (swedish multivitamin, algae stuff)
Pumpkin seeds
Fish oil
Vitamin C
MSM
Algae

Thoughts? Is it possible that the MSM induced shedd actually is a positive one? Making room for new hairs?
Or is MSM (in these large doses) just not for me?

[Cob984]

I really don't want to be a downer here, but here's my experience.

I have stuck to natural supplements and haven't tested any form of chemicals such as minox, finas, keta etc.

I'm now 21 years old, and I started to notice my hair loss a little more than a year ago, i noticed increased shedding and slight thinnning.

So since then I've been on multivitamins, vitamin B, Omega 3, silicon and some other stuff. I also tried eating fenugreek seeds for a couple of months. None of these things had any really noticeable affect.

This fall i started taking Toco-8, and actually noticed decreased shedding, although by the same time my hair got really itchy and oily. I don't know if this was because of toco-8 or perhaps because I switched schampoo.

Anyhow, I found this thread I wanted to give it a try.

When I started to take MSM there was a noticeable increase in shedding. Since then I've lowered the dose, and then slowly increased it again. By now I'm off toco-8 almost a month. I've been on MSM+vitamin C for about 1 month and 1/2. And my shedding is worse, no doubt. It feels like it's even worse than before I got on toco-8.

This is everything I'm on right now, and have been for a while:

Supergreens (swedish multivitamin, algae stuff)
Pumpkin seeds
Fish oil
Vitamin C
MSM
Algae

Thoughts? Is it possible that the MSM induced shedd actually is a positive one? Making room for new hairs?
Or is MSM (in these large doses) just not for me?

Just wait for gutted to come tell you how the pumpkin seeds and fish oil is messing up your shed and you need to drop everything for the miracle msm to work

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Just wait for gutted to come tell you how the pumpkin seeds and fish oil is messing up your shed and you need to drop everything for the miracle msm to work

If I drop the pumpkin seeds I won't get enough zinc in my diet, same with fish oil.

Surely it can't be good for your hair to be low on things like zinc and fatty acids?

[MrBlonde]

This fall i started taking Toco-8, and actually noticed decreased shedding, although by the same time my hair got really itchy and oily. I don't know if this was because of toco-8 or perhaps because I switched schampoo.

Anyhow, I found this thread I wanted to give it a try.

When I started to take MSM there was a noticeable increase in shedding. Since then I've lowered the dose, and then slowly increased it again. By now I'm off toco-8 almost a month. I've been on MSM+vitamin C for about 1 month and 1/2. And my shedding is worse, no doubt. It feels like it's even worse than before I got on toco-8.

I noticed no change when I was taking toco-8 but when I dropped it I shed a lot.

I got through two bottles then stopped as I was shedding at the same rate whilst on it. It could be down to that.

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I noticed no change when I was taking toco-8 but when I dropped it I shed a lot.

I got through two bottles then stopped as I was shedding at the same rate whilst on it. It could be down to that.

First of all I started taking MSM before dropping toco-8, and immediately noticed increased shedding.

Second of all I've been off toco-8 for over 3 weeks now, so shouldn't it be over by now?

[doke]

This german product says it can halt genetic hair loss it contains rhodanid i have got some a shampoo and lotion from a german apo. it is called activogland.

[gutted]

Jesus doubt this will help my hair but ive been on msm and vit c for 2 weeks now and my wrinkles/fine lines around my eyes are almost gone!!

dont doubt its abilities!

hairwise you'll see stuff happening halfway through the timeline. Of course thats IF your taking it alone.

[gutted]

First of all I started taking MSM before dropping toco-8, and immediately noticed increased shedding.

Second of all I've been off toco-8 for over 3 weeks now, so shouldn't it be over by now?

there will ne NO shedding on msm. if you percieve one, those hairs that are being shed, is pureley down to MPB and/or other stuff you are taking.

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there will ne NO shedding on msm. if you percieve one, those hairs that are being shed, is pureley down to MPB and/or other stuff you are taking.

How do you know that?

[gutted]

How do you know that?

its mode of action isnt like minox or fin...people are accustomed to "shedding" when starting a treatment. MSM works to decrease sheds, this takes time to be noticed.

Yes there may be some mild sheds initially but they should go undetected, and these sheds are not the result of starting msm they are either the result of

A) stuff you are taking which is adverseley affecting your hairs

B) you didnt address mpb previously with any treatment, and those hairs that are shed are mpb affected hairs that are being shed, which WOULD have shed anyway (even had you not started msm) MSM speeds up hair growth (the same as minox) which may give you this perception of "shedding"
Its a good thing you started msm asap, since those hairs may not have returned in thier next cycle.

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its mode of action isnt like minox or fin...people are accustomed to "shedding" when starting a treatment. MSM works to decrease sheds, this takes time to be noticed.

Yes there may be some mild sheds initially but they should go undetected, and these sheds are not the result of starting msm they are either the result of

A) stuff you are taking which is adverseley affecting your hairs

B) you didnt address mpb previously with any treatment, and those hairs that are shed are mpb affected hairs that are being shed, which WOULD have shed anyway (even had you not started msm) MSM speeds up hair growth (the same as minox) which may give you this perception of "shedding"
Its a good thing you started msm asap, since those hairs may not have returned in thier next cycle.

So you're saying my current shedding could be good thing then?

[gutted]

So you're saying my current shedding could be good thing then?

it may be, it may not be...I or you have no way of knowing since you are using a multitude of products, some of which have known antiandrogenic properties.

You dropped toco8 within the last month or two, you need to wait 3 months for things to balance out and then stay on the msm/C for another few months before things start to calm down for you (shed wise)

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it may be, it may not be...I or you have no way of knowing since you are using a multitude of products, some of which have known antiandrogenic properties.

You dropped toco8 within the last month or two, you need to wait 3 months for things to balance out and then stay on the msm/C for another few months before things start to calm down for you (shed wise)

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