Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[MrBlonde]

Glutathione, yes. The products you're listed are probably useless. If raising glutathione is our goal, then why bother with MSM? Just take glutathione directly or take its precursors.

I will start taking this next year(out of stock until Jan 2013):

http://www.livonlabs.com/cgi-bin/start.cgi/liposome-encapsulated/lypo-spheric-gsh.html

If low glutathione is the cause, then that would fix it as one serving provides a lot of it.

I'm currently taking this as Vitamin C:

http://www.livonlabs.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/4826.2.915820395382727750/liposome-encapsulated/lypo-spheric-vitamin-c.html

it's fat soluble so it lasts in the body 12 hours or more as opposed to whatever Vitamin C pills you're taking which last less than an hour. Also, it has been found that 1,000 mg of this special vitamin C is equivalent to taking 50,000 mg of regular Vitamin C...

Is a 50,000mg equivilant a safe dosage?

[sizzlinghairs]

Not to be a downer but just posting a recent observation that is definitely odd.

2 Days ago I woke up with my scalp hurting and my hair suddenly feeling significantly more thin and lifeless. Like it was on the fast track to diffusing. This is in the midst of having 17-18 months of thickening on trx2 alone and then some additional small positives from MSM/vit C. Just came out of nowhere, BAM. Very strange and VERY disconcerting. Due to its sudden onset though I feel there has to be a specific culprit. Here are the things I can think of.

1) 2nd time using a shampoo from Giovanni called "Magnetic therapy shampoo", all organic good stuff but maybe this positively charged magnetic therapy had an ill effect on my hair.. Seems odd as Ive mostly read positive reviews.

2) Have been using a bunch of vitamins alongside Trx2 (no androgen anything) for the past 18 months for other physical problems I have. Havent had any issues really, but maybe one of the vitamins has built up to a point of being detrimental. I dunno.

3) Started taking this stuff called "high vitamin butter oil" a month ago that is supposed to really help with testosterone production through raising good cholesterol levels. Maybe it is inadvertently raising my DHT levels and therefore causing this sudden wreckage to my hair.

4) Im turning 31 soon so maybe my MPB is getting really aggresive, but very strange how I feel this happen overnight when progress has been good up to this point.

Anyways, I will be dropping some vitamins as well as the shampoo to try and narrow down the culprit. Hoping its not scenario #4.

[gutted]

Not to be a downer but just posting a recent observation that is definitely odd.

2 Days ago I woke up with my scalp hurting and my hair suddenly feeling significantly more thin and lifeless. Like it was on the fast track to diffusing. This is in the midst of having 17-18 months of thickening on trx2 alone and then some additional small positives from MSM/vit C. Just came out of nowhere, BAM. Very strange and VERY disconcerting. Due to its sudden onset though I feel there has to be a specific culprit. Here are the things I can think of.

1) 2nd time using a shampoo from Giovanni called "Magnetic therapy shampoo", all organic good stuff but maybe this positively charged magnetic therapy had an ill effect on my hair.. Seems odd as Ive mostly read positive reviews.

2) Have been using a bunch of vitamins alongside Trx2 (no androgen anything) for the past 18 months for other physical problems I have. Havent had any issues really, but maybe one of the vitamins has built up to a point of being detrimental. I dunno.

3) Started taking this stuff called "high vitamin butter oil" a month ago that is supposed to really help with testosterone production through raising good cholesterol levels. Maybe it is inadvertently raising my DHT levels and therefore causing this sudden wreckage to my hair.

4) Im turning 31 soon so maybe my MPB is getting really aggresive, but very strange how I feel this happen overnight when progress has been good up to this point.

Anyways, I will be dropping some vitamins as well as the shampoo to try and narrow down the culprit. Hoping its not scenario #4.

likley scenario 3 and 4. Are you still using the hydrocortisone and micanzaole nitrate?

[MrBlonde]

Not to be a downer but just posting a recent observation that is definitely odd.

2 Days ago I woke up with my scalp hurting and my hair suddenly feeling significantly more thin and lifeless. Like it was on the fast track to diffusing. This is in the midst of having 17-18 months of thickening on trx2 alone and then some additional small positives from MSM/vit C. Just came out of nowhere, BAM. Very strange and VERY disconcerting. Due to its sudden onset though I feel there has to be a specific culprit. Here are the things I can think of.

This has come out of the blue by the sounds of your post and doesn't sound like the slow regression of MBP to me. Or maybe it creeped up on you without noticing but to all of a sudden wake up with an irritated scalp and thin hair would indicate something instantly reacted negatively to your scalp.

My guess would be the shampoo as it was only the second time you used it. I find switching from any brand of shampoo has an instant result in relation to scalp sensation and apperance of the hair. Go back to your old shampoo and report back.

[Cob984]

lol gutted you keep changing your mind about external, now you are vehemently saying drop the external ones too, it wont work for sure?

iv dropped all internal still on external as you know

[gutted]

lol gutted you keep changing your mind about external, now you are vehemently saying drop the external ones too, it wont work for sure?

iv dropped all internal still on external as you know

ive ALWAYS said any androgen inhibiting substance will likley affect your results. Its better to be safe than sorry and drop them asap, although external dht inhibiting substances have a lower chance of gaining systemic introduction - there is no way of knowing whether or not this has occured...the next best thing to do is completeley eliminate them...

yes im aware you are still using external dht blockers. The next logical step for you to do is either give up on the regime and block dht as usual or drop the external dht inhibiting substances and give the combo alone a go and repeat the timeline again (+3 months for the reset.)
thats up to you to decide.

[Cob984]

ya it might right, not for sure? i really doubt putting some sp on my head is going to interfere with this and if you look at the beginning of this thread you agreed with that
so how can you be sure what i am doing now is pointless?

[gutted]

ya it might right, not for sure? i really doubt putting some sp on my head is going to interfere with this and if you look at the beginning of this thread you agreed with that
so how can you be sure what i am doing now is pointless?

try it and find out. Its very likley to affect results.It depends on how much you apply and how much gains systmic introduction.

[Cob984]

try it and find out. Its very likley to affect results.It depends on how much you apply and how much gains systmic introduction.

5-8 pumps of revivogen, not too much at all,

and i doubt there is systemic introduction because i experience none of the sides i do with oral sp, as soon as i take oral sp i usually feel bloated, less energetic and have a lower libido

[gutted]

5-8 pumps of revivogen, not too much at all,

and i doubt there is systemic introduction because i experience none of the sides i do with oral sp, as soon as i take oral sp i usually feel bloated, less energetic and have a lower libido

thats not the signs to watch out for...

watch out for the opposite signs of increased libido etc.

[Cob984]

have another question for you, if you go through the trx2 website, they recommend lowering dht wherever possible but specifically discourage fin because of its safety profile, for eg, if you read their newsletter they recommend using nizoral because its dht reducing properties,

so you are telling me? they dont know what works with their own product?

[gutted]

have another question for you, if you go through the trx2 website, they recommend lowering dht wherever possible but specifically discourage fin because of its safety profile, for eg, if you read their newsletter they recommend using nizoral because its dht reducing properties,

so you are telling me? they dont know what works with their own product?

thats exactly what im saying!

If you want to do that, then your free to do so. If it works for you alongside the combo then thats great.

[Cob984]

thats not the signs to watch out for...

watch out for the opposite signs of increased libido etc.

wait what? increased libido? why would i have that?

[gutted]

wait what? increased libido? why would i have that?

homeostasis.

[Cob984]

wait what? increased libido? why would i have that?

i understand you can increased libido as a reaction when you first start taking dht inhibitors but i have been taking these for a while now and i think im way past that stage, you remember when i took sp for 3 days in the middle? one dose of 120 mg each, i immediately felt much crappier, its gone since, i feel normal now even with the topical stuff