Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[ovoxo]

almost three months on 9g MSM, 3g Vit c everyday - as for the itching well i guess it is lowered but still present (although still might be something else than mpb cause I itch all over the scalp), body hair got certainly longer, I had finger joint pain which is gone, hair grows faster, but can't tell if it helped my mpb for now but I will continue with this regime at least I'll try to complete one year

[Cob984]

Cob it sounds like you swap out treatments more often than I change socks! but seriously, if I'm not mistaken your on and have been on DHT blockers (oral/topical sp, dht blocking shampoos) at times within the past 3 months, despite gutted advising you against it for this regime to work, he also stated you will have to wait longer than 3 months to see visible changes using this combo alone. A lot of us are in the same boat, if this fails for me, I too am ****ed as I get sides with DHT blockers, but I'm playing the patient game.

Ya right, gutted is some divine that knows everything,
I have not been on any oral dht blockers since i started this regimen except for when i freaked out in the middle and took 1-2 capsules of saw palmetto, topical sp yes, once a day app of a few drops, thats it, this is hardly an excuse for this regime failing,
thoughj i am sure gutted will come here and claim its the reason for me not seeing success which is a joke

[MrBlonde]

Ya right, gutted is some divine that knows everything,
I have not been on any oral dht blockers since i started this regimen except for when i freaked out in the middle and took 1-2 capsules of saw palmetto, topical sp yes, once a day app of a few drops, thats it, this is hardly an excuse for this regime failing,
thoughj i am sure gutted will come here and claim its the reason for me not seeing success which is a joke

At least he has brought some research papers and his own experiences to the table. Nobody is saying he is divine and he may be lucky and this just worked for him but he stuck it out.

Its too early to say if this has failed you yet, I know hairloss is a desperate situation but you are too impatient. None of us are 4 months yet as far as I can tell. I am one of the earliest adopters of this regiem and I'm still just about 3 months in. Itch mostly gone and I thought I saw a decrease in shed for a couple of weeks but it seems to be back to normal shedding levels this past fortnight.

[Cob984]

i applaud hi for bringing this regime here obviously

what is making me impatient is that i am regressing everyday, the minimum requirement of a regimen is to stop further bleeding, i think thats pretty fair

[bananana]

Yup, none of us is over 4 months. I'm 3 months in. Itch is probably 90% decreased, oil also, since last 10 days I'm using cetirizine...

I don't see thickening in the frontal area - then again I dont see regression.
Crown MIGHT be a bit thicker, but that is discussable.

I see hair is growing thicker at the base - but I guess that is normal.

If this can just maintain what i have - i'd be delighted! Then again, I'm norwood 3 or 3a thinning. (toppiking it to norwood 1 ) For guys that are 6, this would be crap probably...

[clandestine]

Take pictures mother****ers.. If you haven't already.

[bananana]

Take pictures mother****ers.. If you haven't already.

hahaha

Unfortunately I think nothing visible would be seen, actually I believe that is a good sign - it's not progressing.

But its still very early for me. 3 months is NOTHING. I've been thinning for 6,7 years now.

I hope to see something at 6 months and further down the line...

I dont know where gutted is, he hasn't been here in quite a while.

[Ginkosama]

Cob : do you want some sad truth ?
Nobody is even maintaining without propecia and/or minox.

So here we have a guy who claims maintenance without to use this garbage. The least we can do is give it a fair go, but expecting it to work for sure is being delusionnal.

Even with all those new experimental treatments we have, maintenance will be a miracle, not a minimum.

[b0urna]

I couldn't agree with the last few comments more. The realistic among us aren't expecting to see any change before the 6month mark, maybe even 12. I jumped on the train early and am just over 3months on this regime. Gutted is maintaining at a Norwood 1/2 without having to use fin or minox, so essentially doesnt have a hair problem anymore, yet he chooses to come back to this thread and answer our repeated questions over and over again, for that I give him respect.
Btw I'm taking the plunge and cutting my hair this weekend, hope it returns with a vengeance!

[jgold]

could someone repeat the regimen.

trx2 - 3 tabs a day

vitamin c - ?

msm -

any sides with these?

[Jcm800]

Gutted prob had enough lmao. Anyway nothing to report here except faster regrowth of existing hair, that's for sure.

[yeahyeahyeah]

Gutted prob had enough lmao. Anyway nothing to report here except faster regrowth of existing hair, that's for sure.

Don't seem to be shedding a lot, and my hair seems to look nicer. In other words, not lost ground.

[gutted]

guys i wouldnt take cob's experience into account much.

1 - hes not following through with any regime that hes on, continually changing and adding new stuff, even though ive continually stated hes probably not going to witness visible changes in his hair whilst using dht blockers.

2 - hes impatient and being unrealistic and expecting "visbile" results in such a short period of time. Visbile reslts take many many months, something that probably wont be occuring with him anyway.

if theres anything to learn from his case is that stopping dht blockers will thin you out, there is a rational explanation for this. These hairs have not in any way been lost, they have just shedded... a sort of telogen efflivium if you will, which should return a few months down the line.

So its important for anyone who is on dht blockers and have dropped them realise this before panicking and misunderstanding this as mpb progression, your hair will most likley thin out but will return should you stay on msm/C alone

As for using dht blockers with the regime, im 101% confident it will not appear to "work"
well its wrong of me to say it wont "work"...it will "work" you just wont see the visible side of things that tell you its "working", should you use dht blockers.

also i have to stress you need to give it many many months soley on this regime, no changes or additions throughout this period before any changes are seen. I advise taking pictures for your own reference periodically as well as running your hands through your hair regularly to feel the density.

If you have diffuse hair loss throughout the scalp, im confident you will see a reversal. First changes are seen at the crown.

[Cob984]

what a joke, i knew that would be his excuse,
i have not tinkered with my internal regime at all, its only msm+trx2+vitc

the only 'changing' iv done is swap one topical dht blocker for another, though i think its well agreed here topical dht blockers shldnt cause the systemic absorption to impact this regime

unrealistic? im not expecting regrowth, but im also not expecting to be see new patches of thinned out hair every few weeks

in any case, i appreciate the advice and info like we all do, what i dont appreciate is because it worked for u and thats great, you think the exact same program has to work for everyone and you are encouraging people to discard dht blockers which for aggressive balders could be calamitous in the norwoords lost over the period of 12 months.
I personally dont tolerate dht blockers well which is why this regime will have to suffice for my cornerstone, good or not,
but for those that can, you would be beyond foolish to drop or delay their use for this

[baldnotbeautiful]

just curious gutted, are you still taking 9g all at once, even though theres no way your body is absorbing/utilitzing all of that? just wondering if you switched it up at all by taking smaller amounts throughout the day. personally im taking 3gmsm/1gvitc at lunch then again with dinner, only been on for 3weeks though.