Hidden Gem -> MSM/Vit C & TRX2 - a fin alternative?

[Jcm800]

Yep I'm still itching, lovely nails tho :-)

[Benzzro]

I'm losing more faith in this combo reading alot of the posts, it seems a lot like Fin, some people respond well some people don't . OP could've just gotten very lucky this worked for him. I'll give this another 1-2 months to see if the itch goes away or not otherwise I'll probably get on fin again.

[Cob984]

I'm losing more faith in this combo reading alot of the posts, it seems a lot like Fin, some people respond well some people don't . OP could've just gotten very lucky this worked for him. I'll give this another 1-2 months to see if the itch goes away or not otherwise I'll probably get on fin again.

i think one of the problems could be gutted is understating the impact trx2 has had on the success of this combo, well even though im on trx2 im not really seeing much improvement yet, i hope for some stabilization at the minimum soon else i will add to this combo, i wont drop it but i wont solely rely on it either

[yeahyeahyeah]

i think one of the problems could be gutted is understating the impact trx2 has had on the success of this combo, well even though im on trx2 im not really seeing much improvement yet, i hope for some stabilization at the minimum soon else i will add to this combo, i wont drop it but i wont solely rely on it either

Remember this has not been clinically tested, its based on one man's experience.

[doke]

Am i alone here or has anyone thought of topical msm as in xenna 183?

[MrBlonde]

About 3 weeks on it, hair is much itchier now unfortunately (Maybe cause of dropping Niz?) Obvious gonna keep using the combo. Hopefully itch will gtfo!

So is mine. And my scalp is never itchy.

My itch reached a very intense level before subsiding. It was itchy all over, all day long. Now I would say it has almost been completely irradicated.

Maybe this program compounds the itch somewhat before beating it hence the increased sensation? I can understand a couple of you who are considering dropping out, it would be heartbreaking to waste all this time and hair on something that doesn't work but thats the risk we take with any regeim.

But be carefull, if your hair gets worse and you panic drop out you are left with less hair to try and recover via a different regeim, which will enduce its own shed meaning even less hair again, plus you will never know what results you could have got if you just hung in there. We are lab rats here, doing it for the greater good, its not much compensation for those of us for whom it doesn't work but we could get an idea or its success ratio ie it worked on 3 out of 8 of us or it eventually worked on all or none, whatever the case may be.

I am going to stick it out. I've been religiously taking 9gMSM/4gVITC & TRX2 daily. I have missed two days of TRX2 due to my order getting delayed in shipping but its due here tomorrow so I will neck those extra pills to get TRX2 levels high in my system. Actually I think I have noticed a slight increase in itch during those two days of non TRX2 use. Be warned I am not the best for noticing this things straight of the bat though, more a hindsight guy.

My hair was looking so limp and thin last week and it felt very dry and I had that straw like effect. I took gutted's advise and added a good conditioner and this week my hair look a lot better as a result, thicker and shiner. I used that Aussie 3 minute miracle Deep repair conditioner. Its the first time since starting this that I felt good about my hair. My facial skin looks good too and I can 100% report I am seeing no extra body hair growth. I think, and I stress the I think part, my shedding may have reduced as I haven't seen as many hairs out in my hands but I made a decision not to run my fingers through my hair as much so I can't be sure if they are falling out when I'm out and about in the wind etc. I will try to pay more attention in the coming weeks and give you guys a better idea.

All we can do is hang in there. If you didn't feel a reduce in itch after say 5 months I would then give up the ghost as you may need this long for any effects of DHT blockers you may have been on to fade. I think we all can agree, Gutted included that although its a 12 month commitment like any other regeim you should at least be experiencing this first step by the 4-5month mark and if not then its not working for you. Oh and you must be on nothing else DHT wise especially. 5months is a maximum deadline for step one, I think gutted would agree.

[yeahyeahyeah]

My itch reached a very intense level before subsiding. It was itchy all over, all day long. Now I would say it has almost been completely irradicated.

Maybe this program compounds the itch somewhat before beating it hence the increased sensation? I can understand a couple of you who are considering dropping out, it would be heartbreaking to waste all this time and hair on something that doesn't work but thats the risk we take with any regeim.

But be carefull, if your hair gets worse and you panic drop out you are left with less hair to try and recover via a different regeim, which will enduce its own shed meaning even less hair again, plus you will never know what results you could have got if you just hung in there. We are lab rats here, doing it for the greater good, its not much compensation for those of us for whom it doesn't work but we could get an idea or its success ratio ie it worked on 3 out of 8 of us or it eventually worked on all or none, whatever the case may be.

I am going to stick it out. I've been religiously taking 9gMSM/4gVITC & TRX2 daily. I have missed two days of TRX2 due to my order getting delayed in shipping but its due here tomorrow so I will neck those extra pills to get TRX2 levels high in my system. Actually I think I have noticed a slight increase in itch during those two days of non TRX2 use. Be warned I am not the best for noticing this things straight of the bat though, more a hindsight guy.

My hair was looking so limp and thin last week and it felt very dry and I had that straw like effect. I took gutted's advise and added a good conditioner and this week my hair look a lot better as a result, thicker and shiner. I used that Aussie 3 minute miracle Deep repair conditioner. Its the first time since starting this that I felt good about my hair. My facial skin looks good too and I can 100% report I am seeing no extra body hair growth. I think, and I stress the I think part, my shedding may have reduced as I haven't seen as many hairs out in my hands but I made a decision not to run my fingers through my hair as much so I can't be sure if they are falling out when I'm out and about in the wind etc. I will try to pay more attention in the coming weeks and give you guys a better idea.

All we can do is hang in there. If you didn't feel a reduce in itch after say 5 months I would then give up the ghost as you may need this long for any effects of DHT blockers you may have been on to fade. I think we all can agree, Gutted included that although its a 12 month commitment like any other regeim you should at least be experiencing this first step by the 4-5month mark and if not then its not working for you. Oh and you must be on nothing else DHT wise especially. 5months is a maximum deadline for step one, I think gutted would agree.

Im going to keep this at a low dosage

3k vitc and msm

[gutted]

I'm losing more faith in this combo reading alot of the posts, it seems a lot like Fin, some people respond well some people don't . OP could've just gotten very lucky this worked for him. I'll give this another 1-2 months to see if the itch goes away or not otherwise I'll probably get on fin again.

so you was on the fin prior to using the combo?

everyone WILL respond, IF they take it as directed, without anything hindering its efficacy.

- dht blockers, internal and external.
- Recently dropping dht blockers, internal or external.

WILL, without any doubt in my mind, affect these results. Hence why i say it is very very wise of you to drop them now than later, its a wasted effort you even trying this combo.

When you drop these dht inhibiting substances you need to be prepared to allow 3 months for things to reset back to normal. Things WILL get worse in this time period (icreased itching,shedding of hairs etc) but you shouldnt be shocked as this will calm down.

after this 3 month period the 12 month timeline will apply to you.

[bananana]

Are 4 grams of vit c necessary?
It seems like a huge dose to me.

I'm taking around 1.5-2 (hard to tell as I take juices and fruit etc..)

[gutted]

Are 4 grams of vit c necessary?
It seems like a huge dose to me.

I'm taking around 1.5-2 (hard to tell as I take juices and fruit etc..)

no itsnt neccsary, 1/2 grams is more than enough. If you take juices etc then 1 gram is enough.

[new bubble]

so you was on the fin prior to using the combo?

everyone WILL respond, IF they take it as directed, without anything hindering its efficacy.

- dht blockers, internal and external.
- Recently dropping dht blockers, internal or external.

WILL, without any doubt in my mind, affect these results. Hence why i say it is very very wise of you to drop them now than later, its a wasted effort you even trying this combo.

When you drop these dht inhibiting substances you need to be prepared to allow 3 months for things to reset back to normal. Things WILL get worse in this time period (icreased itching,shedding of hairs etc) but you shouldnt be shocked as this will calm down.

after this 3 month period the 12 month timeline will apply to you.

I totally agree with your comments. This combo worked for me along with the shampoo in reducing itching and oily scalp reduction and calming the shed right down when I started. It works best if you take nothing else internally or externally and probably will for those who have not subjected themselves to other remedies prior to starting.

[MrBlonde]

This study claims that Glutathione levels decline in your scalp as we age:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2929555/

could it be that baldness is the result of that?


Next month or so when I''l have my finances in order, I'll start taking these:

http://www.livonlabs.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/315.1.470274921110542354/liposome-encapsulated/products.html

Lypo-SphericTM Vitamin C --- which is equivalent to about 10,000 mg of real vitamin C which goes straight to your cells and is fat soluble -> lasts all day

Lypo-SphericTM GSH --- larges doses of real active glutathione. No amount of MSM will ever come to close to making that much glutathione.


yes, it's ~$120/month but we'll see if it's worth it

What do you make of this product 2020? A bit cheaper then the ones you posted.

http://www.physicianformulas.com/store/Scripts/prodview.asp?idproduct=342&name=Glutathione

An interesting article on how to increase glutathione levels naturally with herbs, vitamins, nutrients, whey protein and dietary pills can be found here

http://www.raysahelian.com/glutathione.html

Interestingly Turmeric/Curcumin are mentioned as boosting agents. Didn't you noticed negative effects Gutted when you added these to your regeim?

The article mentions the following on side effects

Side effects, safety, danger
No significant side effects have been reported in medical journals with supplementation of these pills.

What happens if levels are low?
Glutathione deficiency contributes to oxidative stress, which plays a key role in aging and the worsening of many diseases including Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, liver disease, cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia, HIV, AIDS, cancer, heart attack, and diabetes. The concentration of glutathione declines with age and in some age-related diseases.

I am reading quite a bit about glutathione in relation to skin whitening and pigmentation, hence the radiant skin some of us are noticing. This ebay search of glutathione shows how cloesly they are binded and some more cheap glutathione purchase options.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=glutathione&_sacat=0&_from=R40

These are first hit on google type research results, just thought I'd share anyway

[gutted]

What do you make of this product 2020? A bit cheaper then the ones you posted.

http://www.physicianformulas.com/store/Scripts/prodview.asp?idproduct=342&name=Glutathione

An interesting article on how to increase glutathione levels naturally with herbs, vitamins, nutrients, whey protein and dietary pills can be found here

http://www.raysahelian.com/glutathione.html

Interestingly Turmeric/Curcumin are mentioned as boosting agents. Didn't you noticed negative effects Gutted when you added these to your regeim?

The article mentions the following on side effects



I am reading quite a bit about glutathione in relation to skin whitening and pigmentation, hence the radiant skin some of us are noticing. This ebay search of glutathione shows how cloesly they are binded and some more cheap glutathione purchase options.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=glutathione&_sacat=0&_from=R40

These are first hit on google type research results, just thought I'd share anyway

yes i did notice negative effects. curcumin probably works in a simillar manner? but i cant be sure of that.

[gutted]

another intresting thing with the combo is that if you have any scars within a few weeks to a few months they will start to fade and quite possibly with time dissappear.

This may be a great addition to those HT patients with scars!!!

[2020]

What do you make of this product 2020? A bit cheaper then the ones you posted.

http://www.physicianformulas.com/store/Scripts/prodview.asp?idproduct=342&name=Glutathione

An interesting article on how to increase glutathione levels naturally with herbs, vitamins, nutrients, whey protein and dietary pills can be found here

http://www.raysahelian.com/glutathione.html

Interestingly Turmeric/Curcumin are mentioned as boosting agents. Didn't you noticed negative effects Gutted when you added these to your regeim?

The article mentions the following on side effects



I am reading quite a bit about glutathione in relation to skin whitening and pigmentation, hence the radiant skin some of us are noticing. This ebay search of glutathione shows how cloesly they are binded and some more cheap glutathione purchase options.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=glutathione&_sacat=0&_from=R40

These are first hit on google type research results, just thought I'd share anyway

Glutathione, yes. The products you're listed are probably useless. If raising glutathione is our goal, then why bother with MSM? Just take glutathione directly or take its precursors.

I will start taking this next year(out of stock until Jan 2013):

http://www.livonlabs.com/cgi-bin/start.cgi/liposome-encapsulated/lypo-spheric-gsh.html

If low glutathione is the cause, then that would fix it as one serving provides a lot of it.

I'm currently taking this as Vitamin C:

http://www.livonlabs.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/4826.2.915820395382727750/liposome-encapsulated/lypo-spheric-vitamin-c.html

it's fat soluble so it lasts in the body 12 hours or more as opposed to whatever Vitamin C pills you're taking which last less than an hour. Also, it has been found that 1,000 mg of this special vitamin C is equivalent to taking 50,000 mg of regular Vitamin C...