Tsuji-lab (Team Tokyo)

[moore]

pessimists can say stuff like "it will always be 10 years"

I admit it, sometimes I can't help but thinking that somebody in the market want us hooked on what is available right now, luring us into believing that someday in the future we will have something more effective.
But then again, yes, progress is being made and I think we are doing our part here in this forum...as long as we don't argue.

[Arashi]

I've been part of hair loss forums since 2009 officially, and in 2008 was only a lurker and I have been reading the 5-10 years away stories since day 1. I know one can say "Well from 2008 + 10 years is about the time frame where new hair loss treatments would be available". Nope, not even that, now it's 2020-2022 and I would not even be surprised if in 2016-2018 we are still reading the 5-10 years away posts.

I don't agree. 5-10 years ago all this was just a theory. Last year Team Tokyo already SUCCEEDED at creating the first bio engineered human hair follicle, which produced human hair, while it developed the correct structures and formed proper connections with surrounding host tissues such as the epidermis, muscles and nerve fibers. They already did it !

So yeah you pessimists can say stuff like "it will always be 10 years" but the REALISTS out there will say: they already KNOW how to do it, they just need to find a way to mass produce it and do the clinical trials to get it approved.

And regarding that mass production, if you read the article I posted on the previous page, then that looks damn promising too.

[StayThick]

Do you need to maybe stop playing with the drugs, before your ramblings get even more incoherent...? Hey, considering you just picked up something from Desmond's post and then you just made up some stuff about what he had supposedly said earlier... And StayThick gives it a stir by hysterically reacting to the "news" that we'll have to wait to at least 2020 for Tsuji Labs... And then we have this gem: "I don't get it, last month it was like oh another 2 years and now its like 10 years." What??

Clarence I think something is wrong with your brain. Propecia?

I'm not "hysterically" stirring any pot. I'm just as anxious as the next guy for the next best treatment to come out, but what I was stating was simply the obvious...the next best treatment is years away. Nobody knows when Histogen or Aderans will be released or if they ever will be.

It's just depressing watching the market for innovative treatments move at a snails pace. Maybe you're satisfied with that Propecia garbage, but frankly I'm not. Regarding my remark to Desmond, it's just frustrating and hard being optimistic when we are in year 2013 and we still only have Rogaine and Propecia as our only options.

[clarence]

what are you saying? Everyone on this board has been saying a treatment is right around the corner? what is your point?

Desmond mentioned the possibility of one - just one!! - solution being available by 2020 or 2022... That got you disappointed.... why???

You tell me: "I don't get it, last month it was like oh another 2 years and now its like 10 years." Man, just what the hell are you talking about??

[john2399]

Do you need to maybe stop playing with the drugs, before your ramblings get even more incoherent...? Hey, considering you just picked up something from Desmond's post and then you just made up some stuff about what he had supposedly said earlier... And StayThick gives it a stir by hysterically reacting to the "news" that we'll have to wait to at least 2020 for Tsuji Labs... And then we have this gem: "I don't get it, last month it was like oh another 2 years and now its like 10 years." What??

what are you saying? Everyone on this board has been saying a treatment is right around the corner? what is your point?

[clarence]

We got one drug that works and shitty minox. This can't help us for another 6 years. I seriously thought histogen would be avaible in like 2 years in asia or aderans going into phase 3 soon is going to take another 5 years? I don't get it, last month it was like oh another 2 years and now its like 10 years.

Do you need to maybe stop playing with the drugs, before your ramblings get even more incoherent...? Hey, considering you just picked up something from Desmond's post and then you just made up some stuff about what he had supposedly said earlier... And StayThick gives it a stir by hysterically reacting to the "news" that we'll have to wait to at least 2020 for Tsuji Labs... And then we have this gem: "I don't get it, last month it was like oh another 2 years and now its like 10 years." What??

[john2399]

I've been part of hair loss forums since 2009 officially, and in 2008 was only a lurker and I have been reading the 5-10 years away stories since day 1. I know one can say "Well from 2008 + 10 years is about the time frame where new hair loss treatments would be available". Nope, not even that, now it's 2020-2022 and I would not even be surprised if in 2016-2018 we are still reading the 5-10 years away posts.

I guess the only thing to look forward to is the scarless transplant or dr gho.

[PatientlyWaiting]

We got one drug that works and shitty minox. This can't help us for another 6 years. I seriously thought histogen would be avaible in like 2 years in asia or aderans going into phase 3 soon is going to take another 5 years? I don't get it, last month it was like oh another 2 years and now its like 10 years.

I've been part of hair loss forums since 2009 officially, and in 2008 was only a lurker and I have been reading the 5-10 years away stories since day 1. I know one can say "Well from 2008 + 10 years is about the time frame where new hair loss treatments would be available". Nope, not even that, now it's 2020-2022 and I would not even be surprised if in 2016-2018 we are still reading the 5-10 years away posts.

[john2399]

This is why you take drugs for hair loss. Sitting around going bald and waiting for the next big thing, is no way to live IMO

We got one drug that works and shitty minox. This can't help us for another 6 years. I seriously thought histogen would be avaible in like 2 years in asia or aderans going into phase 3 soon is going to take another 5 years? I don't get it, last month it was like oh another 2 years and now its like 10 years.

[PatientlyWaiting]

This is why you take drugs for hair loss. Sitting around going bald and waiting for the next big thing, is no way to live IMO

That, or at least hair loss drugs from today slow down your hair loss, and if you take the right combination for a prolonged period of time, you might even see thickening and regrowth. That eases the pain at least a little bit.

[25 going on 65]

Desmond, I thought you were always the one who said its a couple years away a viable treament and now its until 2022. Who on this board can wait until 2020 for a treament and not be a full nw7.

This is why you take drugs for hair loss. Sitting around going bald and waiting for the next big thing, is no way to live IMO

[PatientlyWaiting]

Desmond, I thought you were always the one who said its a couple years away a viable treament and now its until 2022. Who on this board can wait until 2020 for a treament and not be a full nw7.

16-18 year olds lurking this site with NW1.5's.

The rest of us are doomed.

I can't even imagine myself still posting here for 6-10 more years about the same thing over and over again.

[john2399]

Desmond, I thought you were always the one who said its a couple years away a viable treament and now its until 2022. Who on this board can wait until 2020 for a treament and not be a full nw7.

[PatientlyWaiting]

BTW i'm not even talking about hair multiplication, i'm talking about current HT's like FUT would probably be more advance before all of these future treatments come out. I know hair multiplication is even farther away than every thing else mentioned here, trust me, i'm not banking on that for my MPB, no way.

[PatientlyWaiting]

I think the hair multiplication stuff is at least a decade away if even that. I think CB 03 01 is the best nearest option right now the old proven androgen route is still the most proven way to keep hair.
Transplanted or not we always need a way to keep the hair we have and propecia is not good enough.

That's another that is years away too.

I see on Cosmo's website it says "An IND is planned to be filed for alopecia in H1 2014."

http://www.cosmopharmaceuticals.com/activities/pipeline/cb.aspx

I don't know too much about FDA and clinical trials and all that, but it sounds to me like this is the first step to take before actually putting a drug through the FDA phases and all that, which apparently takes what feels like 83 years.

I don't know why Cosmos would be at phase II for CB in Acne, they should have done it with MPB first. Or will the acne version of CB be good enough to treat MPB? I'm sure higher concentrations would be needed for MPB.