Aderans

[Thinning87]

Right now, this is not the question in this thread - THIS is the question right now...

Seems, so far, I'm the only idiot who shared his Propecia story - even with a photo. And guess what - I've never seen what Propecia does to a bald spot either (besides my own case)!

why don't you try the propecia threads........

[Conpecia]

Conpecia,

From August to October 2012 (when I took Propecia for the first time), I took 0.25mg every 5 days and it definitely was working! I went through a shed phase followed by regrowth!

I then slowly increased the dose to 0.25mg TWICE A WEEK and I am still taking that dose to this date! My hairloss has been halted for now and my temples have stopped thinning!

With regards to chest pains, in a finasteride trial, patients taking 5mg/day were 4 times more likely to develop breast cancer compared to placebo (0.4% vs. 0.1%).

Obviously your health comes first. So I would take 0.25mg every 5 days and see how I go for the first 3 months. If the pain persists or gyno develops, just drop fin and never look back again!

If all went well, try and at least take it every 3-4 days

Thanks Des! I am going to stick with .25 mg of Fin a week for a couple months and see if this Keratene stuff is all it's cracked up to be, then make the switch. Do you know anything about DIM to combat estrogen-related sides? I think a combo of Fin at low doses and DIM might be a good holdover for 2015...

[534623]

HST is positive

How is your HST coming along?

Right now, this is not the question in this thread - THIS is the question right now...

Desmond, Do you or does anyone else have a few before and after photos they can share of what Propecia does to the crown? It doesn't have to be your hair. I just want to know what kind of results are we up against because the only people I know on Propecia have receding hairlines...

I've never seen what Propecia does to a bald spot ...

Seems, so far, I'm the only idiot who shared his Propecia story - even with a photo. And guess what - I've never seen what Propecia does to a bald spot either (besides my own case)!

[StinkySmurf]

HST is positive

How is your HST coming along?

[534623]

So is this why you go around this forum and spread negativity for no reason?

Is there something positive to spread? Did I miss something??
If so, please let me know!

[Thinning87]

I can only report what I tried with Propecia ...

In the late 90s, I tried Propecia the 1st time in my life (1mg/day) for around 3 years or so, and this stuff didn't really work in the front/mid-scalp areas, I think, because after around 3 years - everything I noticed was that I still lost more hair during these 3 years. Interestingly, the crown/tonsure area, wasn't affected at all during these 3 years.

A few years later (I stopped Propecia in the meanwhile), suddenly I noticed also thinning in my crown area. Of course, I tried Propecia again for around 2 years, in an effort to "rescue" at least the crown area with Propecia.

And what happened?
You can see the result in the photo above...

Let me guess: "You're just a bad responder...!"

Anyway, then I stopped Propecia again. The pic above is now exactly 3 years old. In the meanwhile, I noticed that the crown-area (~55 cm²) isn't bigger than 3 years ago. I really hope this is "end-state" ...

So is this why you go around this forum and spread negativity for no reason?

[clarence]

And what happened?
You can see the result in the photo above...

Let me guess: "You're just a bad responder...!"

Hmmm from I read earlier, your hair loss is not exactly typical, judging from the age at which the whole pattern began to express itself. Or maybe rather, judging from my experiences with friends, relatives and mirror images, whose patterns often have been visible since their early 20s.

[Desmond84]

I am attempting to go with route 2 in Desmond's scheme. Which brings me to a couple questions:

Des, do you think .25mg of Fin per week will do anything as far as maintenance, or is the half life too short? It's the only dose I can take without gyno flaring up (chest still hurts but pain subsides to minimal levels after a week). I also use Niz 2% 1/wk.

What do you think about Keratene pills? Seems more legitimate than most alternatives to Fin out there. Would I be better served to give it a shot than waste time taking low Fin doses, or would you stick with the Fin until more results come from Keratene?

Conpecia,

From August to October 2012 (when I took Propecia for the first time), I took 0.25mg every 5 days and it definitely was working! I went through a shed phase followed by regrowth!

I then slowly increased the dose to 0.25mg TWICE A WEEK and I am still taking that dose to this date! My hairloss has been halted for now and my temples have stopped thinning!

With regards to chest pains, in a finasteride trial, patients taking 5mg/day were 4 times more likely to develop breast cancer compared to placebo (0.4% vs. 0.1%).

Obviously your health comes first. So I would take 0.25mg every 5 days and see how I go for the first 3 months. If the pain persists or gyno develops, just drop fin and never look back again!

If all went well, try and at least take it every 3-4 days

[534623]

...does anyone else have a few before and after photos they can share of what Propecia does to the crown? It doesn't have to be your hair. I just want to know what kind of results are we up against because the only people I know on Propecia have receding hairlines...

I've never seen what Propecia does to a bald spot, and I read the other day actually that Propecia works better on the crown than the hairline. Is that true?

I can only report what I tried with Propecia ...

In the late 90s, I tried Propecia the 1st time in my life (1mg/day) for around 3 years or so, and this stuff didn't really work in the front/mid-scalp areas, I think, because after around 3 years - everything I noticed was that I still lost more hair during these 3 years. Interestingly, the crown/tonsure area, wasn't affected at all during these 3 years.

A few years later (I stopped Propecia in the meanwhile), suddenly I noticed also thinning in my crown area. Of course, I tried Propecia again for around 2 years, in an effort to "rescue" at least the crown area with Propecia.

And what happened?
You can see the result in the photo above...

Let me guess: "You're just a bad responder...!"

Anyway, then I stopped Propecia again. The pic above is now exactly 3 years old. In the meanwhile, I noticed that the crown-area (~55 cm&#178 isn't bigger than 3 years ago. I really hope this is "end-state" ...

[hellouser]

Desmond, Do you or does anyone else have a few before and after photos they can share of what Propecia does to the crown? It doesn't have to be your hair. I just want to know what kind of results are we up against because the only people I know on Propecia have receding hairlines...

I've never seen what Propecia does to a bald spot, and I read the other day actually that Propecia works better on the crown than the hairline. Is that true?

There are actually three before and after photos in the Aderans video, and they are all taken at six months or less so we have never seen a photo at 54 weeks.

Finasteride (propecia) works *way* better on the crown than it does on the hairline. And it works damn well.

[StinkySmurf]

This brings us to the most important question of all. Does Aderans have a product that can at least compare to Propecia

Desmond, Do you or does anyone else have a few before and after photos they can share of what Propecia does to the crown? It doesn't have to be your hair. I just want to know what kind of results are we up against because the only people I know on Propecia have receding hairlines...

I've never seen what Propecia does to a bald spot, and I read the other day actually that Propecia works better on the crown than the hairline. Is that true?

There are actually three before and after photos in the Aderans video, and they are all taken at six months or less so we have never seen a photo at 54 weeks.

[FearTheLoss]

I think since Aderans is being Aderans, we have to try and speculate the possible outcomes of this long journey ourselves. Their updates have been minimal at best and their presentations mostly involve pre-clinical data (a ball of hair) with very little hard information regarding their actual observations in over 11 Phase 2 trials and 400 trial subjects!

We have recently seen for the very FIRST time photos of 2 trial subjects with regrowth at the edge of their balding areas without any indication regarding its staying power!

This brings us to the most important question of all. Does Aderans have a product that can at least compare to Propecia?

I'm interested to read everyone's opinion! As you know power of prediction is generally by numbers! SO let's all discuss this important matter!

With the funding aderans has and the amount of research they have done, they would not release a product that wasn't at least comparable to propecia...they would get laughed at. I would say if they release a product anytime soon it will be slightly better than propecia.

[amibald]

hmm, kinda sucks, I just turned 19 a week ago and am NW2 with a little bit of crown thinning.

Kinda sick of hair loss, but while I have a weak chin i've got perfect head shape and I already wear a 3 buzz anyway. Going to gradually fill in a light beard and then just buzz it lower and lower....then bic it!

Desmond you reckon by 2020 we'll have something? why doesn't everyone just continually get HST? Either way I think i'll just accept it, lift heavy ,take a multi and grow a beard lol .

If something comes out in 10 or so years and I have dough, then ill still be pretty young ( 30 ish ) so maybe i'll only have to endure 5-6 years of baldy

[Conpecia]

I am attempting to go with route 2 in Desmond's scheme. Which brings me to a couple questions:

Des, do you think .25mg of Fin per week will do anything as far as maintenance, or is the half life too short? It's the only dose I can take without gyno flaring up (chest still hurts but pain subsides to minimal levels after a week). I also use Niz 2% 1/wk.

What do you think about Keratene pills? Seems more legitimate than most alternatives to Fin out there. Would I be better served to give it a shot than waste time taking low Fin doses, or would you stick with the Fin until more results come from Keratene?

[Desmond84]

As we age, our bodies will NOT be the way they used to be and hanging on to the past is not only foolish but detrimental to our health!

Acceptance is the first step to abandon our despair and the path to ultimate happiness!

I truly believe that humans are social animals and forums like these should be where ppl find comfort and acceptance.

This is where I disagree with Iron_Man's approach! (I really respect your scientific opinions btw brother). But shattering ppl's dreams by shear negativity is simply inhumane and cowardly!

We should all be here trying to get our fellow brothers through this horrible mess rather than simply telling them you've lost! it's over!

Love you all...

-Desmond