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[joshuk]

I couldn't find a seller that ships the liquid to the United States. :/

Edit: Found this

http://www.amazon.com/Foods-Olive-Glycerite-Oleuropein-ounce/dp/B0019LWTWQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1451406073&sr=8-2&keywords=Olive+Leaf+Extract+Liquid

Ships to the United States and has 18% Oleurpein. Not as strong as the 20% you posted earlier, but it's the best I could find.

dont think the premade stuff is going to work to be honest, cant you get kirkland liquid minoxdil from costco or walmart, im in the uk so i dont know for sure but i have heard of people getting it from these places.

failing that get everclear and propelyne glycol and make your own mix like im doing would be alot better. the reason for the premade stuff not working is the ethanol content is not high enough or stays long enough on the scalp to absorb properly.

i bought the ethanol tincture earlier in this thread and it did not absorb properly and left a brown stain on my scalp,not only that the oleuropein content is way to high chemical said you need it to be around 1.5mg/ml the one that you are using is the one i had and the oleuropein is 31mg/ml. have you applied it yet you will see what i mean by the staining of the scalp

hope this helps... but i would honestly make your own solution if you can if not use minoxil liquid as a vehicle and add the caps into that

[iaskdumbquestions]

you cant use the foam to dissolve the oleuropein your gonna need to use the liquid unless you somehow heat it into a liquid then dissolve it or something but the foam does not have proplyene glycol in it so i dont think it will absorb.... but you can try

I couldn't find a seller that ships the liquid to the United States. :/

Edit: Found this

http://www.amazon.com/Foods-Olive-Glycerite-Oleuropein-ounce/dp/B0019LWTWQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1451406073&sr=8-2&keywords=Olive+Leaf+Extract+Liquid

Ships to the United States and has 18% Oleurpein. Not as strong as the 20% you posted earlier, but it's the best I could find.

[joshuk]

I am willing to try this and document results but let me just get this straight:

I should buy this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GZRIW5C/ref=s9_simh_gw_g121_i1_r?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=1GAD1STY1SHDM19KNS0V&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2079475242&pf_rd_i=desktop

And then open the capsules and put them into this:

http://www.amazon.com/KIRKLAND-MINOXIDIL-Topical-Unscented-Regrowth/dp/B00L7PQLAA/ref=sr_1_18?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1451404124&sr=1-18&keywords=minoxidil+kirkland

I'm not to sure how to open the minoxidil up, but I'll have to play around with it. Also, I asked this previously but, what is your opinion on Setiprant? On page 1 you suggested that the body will compensate by creating more DHT. Would you apply the same reasoning to Seti?

you cant use the foam to dissolve the oleuropein your gonna need to use the liquid unless you somehow heat it into a liquid then dissolve it or something but the foam does not have proplyene glycol in it so i dont think it will absorb.... but you can try

[iaskdumbquestions]

I am willing to try this and document results but let me just get this straight:

I should buy this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GZRIW5C/ref=s9_simh_gw_g121_i1_r?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=desktop-1&pf_rd_r=1GAD1STY1SHDM19KNS0V&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=2079475242&pf_rd_i=desktop

And then open the capsules and put them into this:

http://www.amazon.com/KIRKLAND-MINOXIDIL-Topical-Unscented-Regrowth/dp/B00L7PQLAA/ref=sr_1_18?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1451404124&sr=1-18&keywords=minoxidil+kirkland

I'm not to sure how to open the minoxidil up, but I'll have to play around with it. Also, I asked this previously but, what is your opinion on Setiprant? On page 1 you suggested that the body will compensate by creating more DHT. Would you apply the same reasoning to Seti?

[joshuk]

Haven't people tried topical EGCG before with no substantial results?

we will soon find out as in a couple of days i will be starting a custom mix of EGCG/oleuropein i dont mind guinea pigging myself as im using experimental hairloss drugs anyway what could go wrong lmao!!

[InBeforeTheCure]

Haven't people tried topical EGCG before with no substantial results?

[SriHanuman]

double post....

[SriHanuman]

@SriHanuman

If its within your budget you will better off with a custom vehicle using this ethyl alcohol from amazon uk:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spinnrad-Ethyl-Alcohol-96-5%25-100/dp/B001TJ0NJY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451336373&sr=8-1&keywords=ethyl+alcohol

mixed with this PG:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/1000ml-Classikool-Propylene-Glycol-Pharma/dp/B00BHGM05O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451336492&sr=8-1&keywords=propylene+glycol

That premade tincture wont be as effective as a custom Ethanol/PG vehicle.

For sure that would be better. But I was thinking of using this tincture until I see any results or couple of months go by. If I see results, even a little bit, then will I go with a custom vehicle. Lets see if this has any effect at all, and I think this tincture will provide some, if it works.

[potato1987]

Is it possible for someone to list the items required (amazon, ebay) and instruction on what to do, perhaps a youtube video to ensure we are consistent? I do apologise but I don't understand enough of the terms and so wouldn't have a clue.

Happy to document results! Can't use minox however it really messed up my face.

[Seuxin]

A good vehicle is REALLY important to have real result ! Using eth/pg is not a good idea. You can improve it, here is a good formula :

-> Ethanol / DMI / Polysorbate 80

[Chemical]

@SriHanuman

If its within your budget you will better off with a custom vehicle using this ethyl alcohol from amazon uk:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spinnrad-Ethyl-Alcohol-96-5%25-100/dp/B001TJ0NJY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451336373&sr=8-1&keywords=ethyl+alcohol

mixed with this PG:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/1000ml-Classikool-Propylene-Glycol-Pharma/dp/B00BHGM05O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451336492&sr=8-1&keywords=propylene+glycol

That premade tincture wont be as effective as a custom Ethanol/PG vehicle.

[SriHanuman]

Yes it should be fine, but before you go ahead, which brand of EGCG are you using? I'd recommend teavigo since you can get away with a lower concentration of the extract and get the raw EGCG that you actually need. I'm ot sure how the other polyphenols affect, so for now we'll stick to pure EGCG as used in the study. EGCG also has a dose dependent effect so start off with 1 capsule, then see if it leaves a residue after applying. If not, add another. Rub the skin softly to see if you get any residue, even if its just a little, dont add anymore to the solution. Also what concentration of ethanol are you using?

I will be using:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ethanolic-Tincture-Concentrate-Oleuropein-Glycerine/dp/B00B2U9MW4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451314576&sr=8-1&keywords=olive+leaf+tincture

And yes will order teavigo. But fistly I shall try only this tincture and see what happens in one to two months.

[Chemical]

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/m...VIEWTMP=Linear

The guy using minox and extra virgin olive oil seems to have had quite a bit of thickening:

July 17th
August 2nd
September 19th

But you can see in the first picture he already had follicles - albeit that were miniaturising, so the minox probably rescued them and thickened them up. The OL content in oil isnt very high but it may have played a part. Its hard to tell.

do you recommend derma-rolling before application?

No need. The ethanol will reduce the skins barrier function.

How do I mix pills with Minoxidil? I currently use Kirkland's brand, so do I just open it up and drop these pills inside?
Would you also suggest people not use Seti?

Just drop the powder in and shake until you cant see anymore powder. You might want to make a small test sample of around 30ml just in case I make changes to the protocol or something comes up. Be sure to stay under 2mg/ml of oleuropein - ideally 1.5mg/ml. If you want to use EGCG start off with 1 cap, and you can increase later once I've had time to play around with doses.

If you have been 2 weeks off Minox, you should probably get the "payback" in at least 1 month for not applying it or? I think the effect of everything you do to hair comes after around 2 months or later (like in most treatments) like people who stop minox losing the extra hair after around 2 months. What do you think about it? Do you think you can stabilize it?
Hope I didnt understand sth wrong

I started using Minox, Emu oil, and Keto cream around April this year. I applied these three separately (no mixing) most days at night, but was regular with keto cream twice a day. No drastic regrowth and no effect on shedding either.

Then in late August I bought Oleuropein and saw palmetto which I mixed with emu oil and minox - we'll call this emox.

I used emox at night everyday, and the plain minox followed by keto cream in the morrning for 6 weeks straight and noticed some regrowth in peripheral regions marked green and some more vellus hairs in dotted black areas:



I apply in the region circled blue an tilt my head to the left to let it reach the other side. I saw some thickening of existing terminal hairs at the center of my hairline but most of the regrowth and significant thickening was were the emox was reaching in small amounts. This led me to believe oleuropein had a biphasic effect.

As I kept increasing the concentration of OL and Saw Palmetto. I wasnt seeing much of a difference and it might have made things worse because it was forming a very thick residue on my scalp. In late October I stopped using it during the weekdays because I was so busy with work, but I was using it heavily on the weekends. My plain minox had run out by Nov.

Unfortuneately the emox was becoming a pain to remove since I had to shampoo it out every morning so around November 20th I stopped completely. I realised I was losing alot of density in the crown area and the emox wasnt doing anything. I started using miconazole and ketoconazole twice a day everyday, thats when I noticed some hairs thickening in the blue region. This could have been due to OL gradually reaching a lower concentration over the course of its half life? Or my scalp had finally recovered from excessive shampooing? - I dont know. I saw that the left side had receded quite a bit and the follicles were miniaturising which got me kind of worried. You are right in that I did pay the price for not using the emox properly.

Around 10th December, I made a new batch of emox, using no Saw palmetto, and only two caps of OL. I also added a tiny amount of OL to plain minox - we'll call this mxol.

And I've also got some plain Emu oil thats not mixed with anything.

I use the mxol more often, twice a day and wait for it to dry up. Since I'm on break I use the plain emu oil 2-3 hrs after mxol because I noticed my scalp becomes very itchy if I dont use it. At night I use the emox 2-3 hrs after mxol. I use the mico too if I remember. The shedding is nonexistant now and frontal density is coming back, ALOT faster than my initial trial with emox + minox. My preconception that Emu Oil was suitable vehicle was incorrect, it doesnt help at all with penetration. The ethanol/PG is the more effective vehicle. I should probably make a wiki of all the updated knowledge and use this thread as more of a protocol/log discussion place, it would make things a bit more organised.

[Keeper]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...ilpage_o02_s00
I've been using ~1.8mg/ml oleuropein with minox for a little over 20 days now and I'm seeing some remarkable things on the area I normally apply. I'm convinced the oleuropein is making the biggest difference. Since I'm on two weeks break I've been using 0.5ml of the minox solution in the morning, then again at 6pm, then at 10pm I finish off with the emu oil (+ minox + oleuropein solution) which prevents the itching from just using minox + oleuropein alone. I'm going to wait for the area to completely fill in before I post pics, which is very very soon at this rate! I also cant wait to add in EGCG!

Hey Chemical,
- Before your break you were using minox + oleuropein how often and for how long (6 weeks?)
- How long were you using Minox before you started also using oleuropein?
- So now you use 3x 0.5 ml Minox Solution (just normal minox or is it already a combined solution with sth else?) and in the evening you also use emu oil (I like the combination for preventing itching) and oleuropein solution
- If you have been 2 weeks off Minox, you should probably get the "payback" in at least 1 month for not applying it or? I think the effect of everything you do to hair comes after around 2 months or later (like in most treatments) like people who stop minox losing the extra hair after around 2 months. What do you think about it? Do you think you can stabilize it?


Hope I didnt understand sth wrong

[iaskdumbquestions]

edit: double post