Further Follicept civil conversation

[serenemoon]

Most defintely. If the science would be on their side, I'd probably might buy it sooner. But since we know IGF-1 didnt do anything in previous human trails, via injections, it would make no sense at all that it suddenly would work now, because of a different vehicle, that's total nonsense of course. So yeah, I'd need to see some really credible proof.

You do know the frequency is also really different, right? it is 12 doses for one month with Follicept, which has NEVER been tried before. And when on earth did a trial directly inject IGF-1 to the head? I wanna see this study. LOL.

[Afghanwig]

Nah, he has been skeptical multiple times. But okay, if hellouser and swooping growing hair is what you need in order to buy it, so be it.

Most definitely. If the science would be on their side, I probably might buy it sooner. But since we know IGF-1 didnt do anything in previous human trails, via injections, it would make no sense at all that it suddenly would work now, because of a different vehicle, that's total nonsense of course. So yeah, I'd need to see some really credible proof.

[serenemoon]

I don't see much difference between Staythick and Follicept. He's been supporting follicept all along, even said we shouldnt care about lighting in photo's and other weird remarks like that. So no, I don't trust him at all. Hellouser, now that would be a trustworthy forum member. Or Swooping. If both Hellouser and Swooping would grow hair, I'd buy this product the same day ! But this Staythick guy, I don't care much about.

Nah, he has been skeptical multiple times. But okay, if hellouser and swooping growing hair is what you need in order to buy it, so be it.

[Afghanwig]

Maybe StayThick will put doubts to rest then? He is a long term forum user, and yeah we could accuse him of things too, but then again, I think chances are very low there.

I don't see much difference between Staythick and Follicept. He's been supporting follicept all along, even said we shouldnt care about lighting in photo's and other weird remarks like that. So no, I don't trust him at all. Hellouser, now that would be a trustworthy forum member. Or Swooping. If both Hellouser and Swooping would grow hair, I'd buy this product the same day ! But this Staythick guy, I don't care much about. I wouldn't see any difference between Devon growing hair or StayThick growing hair.

[serenemoon]

How do you know he's not on Finasteride ? You don't. Devon growing hair would definitely be a good begin and would get me interested, but still very very far from being convinced. The science is not on their side (igf-1 proven not to work on humans in previous trials), so if it would work now, I'd need way more proof than somebody at their office growing hair .... But yes, it would be a start.

Maybe StayThick will put doubts to rest then? He is a long term forum user, and yeah we could accuse him of things too, but then again, I think chances are very low there.

[Afghanwig]

Yeah if Devon grows a good amount of hair, then it would be really hard to accuse them of being a scam. And StayThick too.

How do you know he's not on Finasteride ? You don't. Devon growing hair would definitely be a good begin and would get me interested, but still very very far from being convinced. The science is not on their side (igf-1 proven not to work on humans in previous trials), so if it would work now, I'd need way more proof than somebody at their office growing hair .... But yes, it would be a start.

[serenemoon]

Agreed. I don't care at all about those other test candidates. It's only Devon that we can follow so he should grow results.

Yeah if Devon grows a good amount of hair, then it would be really hard to accuse them of being a scam. And StayThick too.

[Afghanwig]

It doesn't matter what the others think

Agreed. I don't care at all about those other test candidates. It's only Devon that we can follow so he should grow results.

[serenemoon]

Agreed, results now would be more indicative of a scam. However I don't particular like the way it's going now neither. No results on the only patient that we can verify, Devon, yet the others think they 'see some vellus hairs'. If that's how it's going to play out, no results for Devon but magical results for all the others) then I'd definitely wouldn't trust this.

I too find it a bit silly how some people are already happy over some "vellous hairs" but It doesn't matter what the others think. I am assuming Devon will need some good terminal growth to show a difference. It is easier to see vellous on a slick bald scalp. (I am not saying there is definitely vellous, but yeah bald person will show vellous over Devon. At the end of the day we can only wait for terminals.)

[Afghanwig]

Yeah because if we had seen results by now, you all would definitely not be accusing them of being a scam.

Agreed, results now would be more indicative of a scam. However I don't particular like the way it's going now neither. No results on the only patient that we can verify, Devon, yet the others think they 'see some vellus hairs'. If that's how it's going to play out, no results for Devon but magical results for all the others), then I'd definitely wouldn't trust this.

[serenemoon]

Still zero results? How surprising .

Yeah because if we had seen results by now, you all would definitely not be accusing them of being a scam.

[Swooping]

Still zero results? How surprising .

[NeedHairASAP]

Sounds like StayThick has met with Follicept and will be beginning his trial shortly. Looking forward to some external verification of Follicept's claims.

What claims?

I'm pretty sure it's easy to see what happened with follicept:

(1) they realized they MIGHT have a hair loss product

(2) they thought they'd toss together a website quick, essentially just to have in case trials worked out well. So, then they would be ready to hit the races if good results were in place.

(3) they didn't realize just how desperate bald people are, and found that their project went viral before they could do trials

(4) So, they have a website they thought nobody would see, and that backfired.


Given the above, I don't really see anything on their website as "claims" and rather see it as in the context I explained above... just getting the website ready.


This is essentially the same with Hairegen.... their site isn't together yet (missing some photos on a page or two, etc.) but the site is live. Unfortunately for them, that leaked and now it spread like wildfire... and they aren't quite ready for launch yet or done with the website yet.



The above is the most probably scenario.... THE OTHER possible scenario is:

(1) the illuminati are behind both follicept and hairegen.

(2) everyone on tbt is a potential follicept chrony/spy/shill

(3) nobody can be trusted. Ever.

(4) both comapnies are investing billions of dollars to perpetuate and build up their scams so that they can hit the market and make a cool million dollars before their operations get outed as scams and shut down.... then they sit back, and enjoy losing millions of dollars on their scam.... and....arashi was right

[Jagger]

Sounds like StayThick has met with Follicept and will be beginning his trial shortly. Looking forward to some external verification of Follicept's claims.

[Arashi]

You did the same exact thing with pilox... and all of the information you posted about it was ill-informed or outright untruths.

You characterized Yoram as the inventor/owner of the company... this is blatantly NOT TRUE. It's more likely he isn't even a full-time employee, and is just a trichologist hired as a consultant to handle the trichogram analysis during testing.

You also called Pilox "dubious", etc. when vraf posted his honest results (which weren't even remotely impressive). Why would a "Scammer company" be posting pictures with very "vanilla" results... and in an amateur picture-style with toilets in the background? Especially when we've seen how good the Pilox photography is?

The answer: Vraf was a real human. Pilox is not a scam company. And your assumptions (or whatever you want to call them) were WRONG.

Just like you did with pilox, you are calling everyone and anyone "company shills" who are OBVIOUSLY NOT SHILLS... who are just normal people posting on the message board. I don't know if you're joking, or actually think that pilox [or follicept] has some massive illuminati conspiracy to spend multiple years building up a scam so they can make $30k... does that make sense to you?


OKAY, Why am I bringing this up in a non-pilox thread?


Simply to point out that you have just as BAD a track record at spotting scams as you do a GOOD track record. People should realize that you have wrongfully bashed companies before... and they should take everything you post with a grain of salt.

LOL yeah I was wrong about Pilox, it's actually a wonderful device that grows tons of hair !! The only 2 test persons who tried it, both reported failure but I'm sure that's because Pilox had accidentally sent out damaged devices and they will surely replace them with better ones. Did you buy one already btw ? You gained 30% hair already too ?